Peace loving Muslims?

[fredjacksonsan]

I'm usually positive and see people in a positive light, but I just can't understand how the "Peaceful message of Mohammad" translates to violence, death and destruction over a cartoon published half a world away. It's been over a week, and these people are still engaging in violent protests over this. Take a chill pill.



LAHORE, Pakistan More than 1,000 protesters stormed into Islamabad's diplomatic district while thousands vandalized Western businesses and torched a government building in another city Tuesday, in Pakistan's worst wave of violence against the Prophet Mohammad cartoons, officials said. At least two people were killed.

Police fired into the air as they tried to disperse a rampaging crowd that burned down four buildings housing two banks, a KFC restaurant and offices of the Norwegian mobile phone company Telenor in the eastern city of Lahore, witnesses said.





(http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/02/...14pakistan.php)

[YogsVR4]

At this point, its not about the cartoons, its all about the culture clash.

Its a shame when any group is taken over by extreme elements. Hows that saying go? Evil reigns when good men do nothing.

[Broke_as_****]

Thanks to people like this, "ignorance" and "Islam" have become synonyms.

[Flatrater]

I read somewhere that the protesters haven't even seen the cartoons in question. they are only listening to the radio talking about this.

[fredjacksonsan]

Amazing that people will riot over something they heard on the radio. No, I take that back; based on years of experience in seeing what happens in that part of the world, if it wasn't cartoons, the US, or anything external to the region, they would still be rioting and killing themselves off.

[BNaylor]

Originally Posted by YogsVR4

At this point, its not about the cartoons, its all about the culture clash.

Its a shame when any group is taken over by extreme elements. Hows that saying go? Evil reigns when good men do nothing.

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." (Edmund Burke)


"Evil is as evil does" - Forrest Gump?

Original was "stupid" so take your choice.

[fredjacksonsan]

Animals. Now they're just looking for a reason:

PESHAWAR, Pakistan Gunfire and rioting erupted Wednesday as more than 70,000 people joined Pakistan's biggest protest yet against Prophet Muhammad cartoons, burning movie theaters, a KFC restaurant and a South Korean-run bus station. Three people died and dozens were injured in two cities, police and witnesses said.
The massive crowd went on a rampage in the northwestern city of Peshawar, torching businesses and fighting police, who struck back with tear gas and batons. It was the third straight day of violent demonstrations in the Islamic nation.
The rioters ransacked the offices of the Norwegian mobile phone company Telenor, three cinemas and offices of Mobilink — the main mobile phone operator in the country, witnesses said. They also burned a bus terminal operated by South Korea's Sammi Corp. Flames were shooting out of some of the buses, private TV station Geo reported.
Paramilitary forces were deployed, and the government announced that schools and colleges would be closed in northwestern Pakistan for one week to protect students from violence. Authorities also announced a ban on rallies in eastern Pakistan for an indefinite period.
Demonstrations around Asia and the Middle East over the cartoons — which first appeared in a Danish newspaper in September and have been reprinted by other newspapers, mostly in the West — have subsided in recent days, including in Afghanistan, where 11 people died in riots last week.
But the protests have gathered momentum in Pakistan this week. Islamic groups and traders' associations have organized shutdowns and street rallies that have descended into violence.
Intelligence officials say members of outlawed Islamic militant groups have joined the protests, and may be inciting violence to undermine the pro-Western government of President Gen. Pervez Musharraf.
In Peshawar, a bullet fired by a demonstrator hit an 8-year old boy in the face, killing him, said Shahid Khan, a police officer. A 25-year-old man died when he was hit by an electric cable that was snapped by gunfire from protesters, said the man's cousin, Jehangir Khan. At least 45 others were being treated for injuries at two state-run hospitals.
In Lahore, where riots flared for a second straight day, a 30-year-old man was shot dead in a clash with police, said Daniyal Ahmed, a doctor at the Jinnah Hospital where the man died.
About 1,500 students surprised police by staging an unannounced rally Wednesday outside Punjab University in the eastern city, beating up a police officer and disrupting traffic, said Chaudhry Shafqat, a senior police official.
''It all happened suddenly, and we are trying to control the situation,'' he said.
Police have come under fire for failing to stop Tuesday's unrest in Lahore, where hundreds of vehicles and several Western businesses were burned or ransacked, including a KFC, a McDonald's, Citibank and a Telenor office. The Punjab provincial assembly building was also set on fire.
Police said 125 people had been detained.
In Islamabad, police arrested 142 students after they forced their way into a heavily guarded enclave housing foreign embassies and damaged property on Tuesday, police spokesman Naeem Iqbal said.
In Peshawar, which also saw riots on Monday, fresh violence kicked off Wednesday morning after about 6,000 protesters gathered at a busy traffic intersection, chanting ''Death to Denmark!'' and ''Hang those who drew the insulting cartoons!'' Others burned Danish flags and effigies of the Danish prime minister.
Police said the crowed swelled to over 70,000, while most shops, public transport and other businesses were closed.
Police also battled protesters in the northwestern town of Tank, where 2,000 people rallied and set fire to 30 shops selling CDs, DVDs and videos, said police officer Attiq Wazir. One policeman was reportedly injured when a protester opened fire to resist arrest.
Suspected militants have previously warned music shops in the town to close — saying music and videos are against Islam.
Elsewhere in Asia, hundreds of protesters from the small Muslim minority ripped apart and burned Danish flags in a rally at the Danish honorary consulate in Manila, the Philippines capital.
In Muslim-majority Malaysia, the government ordered Guang Ming, the country's third largest Chinese-language newspaper, to halt publication of its evening edition for two weeks as punishment for printing a photograph in which the cartoons were visible.
And in the world's most populous Muslim nation, Indonesia's importers association said it was boycotting Danish goods to protest the publication of the cartoons in Denmark.
Many Muslims regard any depiction of the prophet as blasphemous. Newspapers publishing the pictures, however, have asserted their news value or the right to freedom of the press.


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http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/02/....0215islam.php

[tenguzero]

We can only hope all of these ignorant Koran-thumpers wake up one day and realize what a bunch of stupid, stupid sheeple they've been. Unfortunately, any such realization won't compensate for the incredible cost of damages to property and infrastructure, as well as the far more unfortunate loss of life.

Just like these pathetic "Christian" groups that protest at funerals and disrespect the dead, or act out in destructive ways to try and combat what their warped minds percieve as "illnesses" in society, these pathetic "Muslims" will do the same.

If you ask me, any REAL damage being done to the religion is being done by these stupid asses.

[Shpyder]

Bah.

Peshawar is home to the largest population of Afghan and Arab immigrants in Pakistan, perhaps anywhere in Asia, zealots who left their countries after respective wars and issues to seek a safe haven. They unsuccessfully tried to breed their extremism near the capital and other cities, and so far, just have a hold on Peshawar. It's going to spiral out of control very soon. Pakistan needs an Attaturk, and Musharraf is hardly delivering.

The riots were ignited by illiterate tribesmen from the lawless Waziristan region who decided to party hard a little south of their turf. Too bad the government doesn't blitz their butts. The average Pakistani may protest, but the hot blood isn't from within the country...it's imported from the nut-ball neighbours.

[Muscletang]

It'd be nice if one of them carriers a nice bomb. Blows himself up, all the radicals, we don't have to worry about there being as many radicals to get us, no more riots, everybody is happy.

[cody_e]

Aren't they just proving that the cartoons are right on the mark?

[Shpyder]

Originally Posted by cody_e

Aren't they just proving that the cartoons are right on the mark?

The more problematic cartoons centered around the prophet rather than his followers. That being said, I don't recall the prophet himself causing any havoc at all. For all we know, he his writhing in his grave at the actions of people who call themselves his "followers", defaming his religion and himself. Therefore, logically, the cartoons fail to come close to "proving" anything, except perhaps endorsing the false view that Muhammad perhaps taught his people violence and hatred.

[cody_e]

Originally Posted by Shpyder

The more problematic cartoons centered around the prophet rather than his followers. That being said, I don't recall the prophet himself causing any havoc at all. For all we know, he his writhing in his grave at the actions of people who call themselves his "followers", defaming his religion and himself. Therefore, logically, the cartoons fail to come close to "proving" anything, except perhaps endorsing the false view that Muhammad perhaps taught his people violence and hatred.

Well Jesus is the reason for Christianity and I see south park making fun of him a lot. I dont' see the Christians go into riot. Just to put it into perspective there are over a billion Catholics alone. So if a bunch of Christians would go and riot then there'd be the same amount of choas, but then again the Christians don't riot over something that simple.

[mellowboy]

Originally Posted by Shpyder

That being said, I don't recall the prophet himself causing any havoc at all.

And you're absolutely right. I believe I mentioned here that the Qur'aish tribe insulted the Prophet(pbuh) many times and yet he didn't order there execution.

Originally Posted by Shpyder

For all we know, he his writhing in his grave at the actions of people who call themselves his "followers", defaming his religion and himself.

You're wrong and its not your fault. Thats blasphemy what you said. According to my belief of course. Only God has the right to judge our actions, and we only seek to God for forgiveness and Him alone. Muhammad (pbuh) is our messenger/teacher...not God.

[mellowboy]

Originally Posted by cody_e

and I see south park making fun of him a lot. I dont' see the Christians go into riot.

I really dont have a logical explaination for this but the way how I see it, its probably the Christians who make fun of Jesus (pbuh) and so it makes it "ok" for them to do it. PPL wont find that offensive. Another reason being is that the Bible never mentions about ridiculing/makin fun of holy ppl...? Maybe I misread somewhere? The Qur'an and Hadith mentions where potraying photos/statues/drawing close to real life is forbidden especially for Holy figures.

Jews have ridiculed Jesus(pbuh) and Mary (as) many times but you hardly hear about it in the media. That leads to my point. The media is so focused on Islam that theres really no way of making them turn there heads the other way. They always look for the radicals, its good story for them. It gives them something to do , just like cops writing parking tickets all day.

Originally Posted by cody_e

Just to put it into perspective there are over a billion Catholics alone.

Dont mean to get off subject here but thats false. Sure Christianity is the worlds largest religion but if you divide them by sects, Catholic only make up 17% of the population while Islam makes up between 22%-24% of the population. 95% are sunnis while the others conists of sufis/shias/savior sects etc...