87 Olds 98 regency no start

[Drewet88]

I already have this posted in the 98 forum and I am getting a lot of help but I need a little more so i decided to ask here too.

I just bought an 87 Olds 98 Regency Brougham and it wont turn over.

It trys to turn over but it just wont get started.

Replaced the coils and the battery is fully charged.
(still no luck)

I got spark after changing the the coils (2 out of 3 had spark before now all 3 have spark)

Pretty sure I have good fuel pressure (I can hear the fuel pump start up)

All electrical work.

Any other ideas are welcome.

[tri-power]

You're going to find that most of the same peopele post in both threads because of the close similaritiy in the cars.

[Drewet88]

Originally Posted by tri-power

You're going to find that most of the same peopele post in both threads because of the close similaritiy in the cars.

O thanks I should've guess that. (They are pretty similar cars)

Can anyone tell me where the crank position sensor is for this car.

I don't want to start pulling out things randomly.

[maxwedge]

If you have spark the cps is good, spray carb cleaner into the intake see if it fires, if so check for injector pulse with a noid lite, and get a gage on the fuel rail to check the actual pressure.

[Drewet88]

well i have fuel pressure but i never thought that the fuel injectors might not be working.

so i spray carb cleaner into the intake to see if it fires?

is it as simple as removing the fuel injectors and spraying some carb cleaner into where they would usually spray?

[tri-power]

Even easier. Remove the air hose and spray in the throttle body.

[Drewet88]

Originally Posted by tri-power

Even easier. Remove the air hose and spray in the throttle body.

U are a real asset to automotive forums. I would be completely lost without this forum and your help.

I probably would have spent major $$$$ to take the car to a shop.

I'm just glad my auto tech teacher recommended this website before he switched schools, my new teacher doesn't want to help he just says "part of learning is figuring it out the hard way."

So without your help I would basically be screwed.

I'm going to spray the throttle body tomorrow when I can go and buy some carb cleaner.

Is there something else I can use for this test besides carb cleaner?
(would regular gas work)

[auto trainy]

Carb cleaner will not work (its a cleaner )you need starting fluid or gas,and be extreemly careful with the intake hose off,good luck

[Drewet88]

I have come to the conclusion that my Chilton manual is basically useless.
(I wish I still had my shop manual I can't find another one for sale anywhere)

The air intake is the hose connected to the air filter correct?

If so I just remove it and spray starting fluid or gas into there or is there something else to take off?

I am almost positive the fuel injectors are not firing correctly, they look like they are original from 1987.

[tri-power]

Check your other post for new info. If you do manage to get it running, run a few tanks of gas with a good injector cleaner. Don't forget about the fuel filter change. Chances are it's original too.

[Drewet88]

Yea I just talked to the original owner and he basically abused this engine.

The only thing he did was keep it clean.
Getting it detailed every week and new wheels whenever it needed it.

My goal is to get this car back into tip-top shape.
In order to do that I have to get it running.

I really dont have the budget to buy a new engine for the car.
(thats the deal I made with my mom, if I don't get it running by the end of March I either have to take it to the dealership to get it fixed or buy a new engine, regardless it'll dip into my entire life savings)

I will replace whatever I have to replace and do whatever is needed to get this car running.

To get back on topic.......

I didn't spray the starter fluid into the throttle body yet, basically because I don't completly understand the procedure.

Like I said I'm a hands on/visual learner so I'm going to need some detailed instructions on procedures.
(I just dont want to mess up, I don't want to have to go back and fix something I messed up)

Tri-power already saved me once, I was about to find a way to pour gas straight into the throttle body, which could've resulted in a major fire.

So I guess I'm just trying to ask what EXACTLY do I have to do in order to get to the throttle body?

Spark and fuel should get the car started right?
I have spark so fuel must be whats missing?

I know error is human but I'm trying to make as little as possible.

[maxwedge]

Originally Posted by auto trainy

Carb cleaner will not work (its a cleaner )you need starting fluid or gas,and be extreemly careful with the intake hose off,good luck

FYI, use carb cleaner all the time it will at least kick the engine to verify spark.

[Drewet88]

My hood says that the timing does not need to be adjusted.
Is that true or can my timing being off be a factor of my car not starting.

I bought some starting fluid ($1.59) from Auto Zone and told one of the workers about my car and he said it must be the timing?

He thinks my spark plugs are not firing at the right time causing the problem.

He also told me I do not need a timing light to check/set the timing.
If so how do I do this?

[tri-power]

Yes and no. The timing could be off causing a no start situation and no you can manually set the timing. When you replaced the cracked rod, did you have to move the cam shaft at all? When the previous owner drove the car without oil, he may have spun a bearing, bent something trhowing of the timing. I have worked on a dodge aries in which the main bearing was no good causing the timing to jump. Like I said in my very first post to you, There have been more damage caused than you think. Everything internal in a motor is cause and effect. If one part goes bad, chances are it will start a chain reaction. In the case of no oil, all parts will be affected.

[Drewet88]

So even if I lightly spray starting fluid into the throttle body it may not start because the timing could be off that badly?

When I replaced the rod I moved the cam shaft, but the car was having this problem before I fixed the cracked rod.

I put the cam shaft back on in the exact same way I took it off.
So that may be the problem.