Celica vs. Colbolt

[vp578]

I have a 1990 celica GT with 140 000 miles on it and it still in good shape and this kid wants to race me with a 2005 chevy colbolt LS there both about the same horepower and everything there bout stick shifts too but i wanted to kno if anyone thought i could win i have a bet going and i kant lose

[uibalnme]

It depends on who is better at shifting. It's not the car, it's the driver that wins the race.

[Vip09]

I dunno about the LS cobalt.. my sister has one and it's really slow. My friend has a 91 celica gt 5speed and it feels slow to me also.. I have raced a Cobalt SS Supercharged tho..

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[harrymay]

i think the cobalt carries more weight.

ive driven a cobalt coupe and compared to my 1zz it felt sluggish.

i would have to say it would be whoever can shift the fastest and drive the best. but if your engine has lost some of its power over the years you might get beat.

[blakscorpion21]

Originally Posted by Vip09

I dunno about the LS cobalt.. my sister has one and it's really slow. My friend has a 91 celica gt 5speed and it feels slow to me also.. I have raced a Cobalt SS Supercharged tho..

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that was a nice race. pretty close. id like to see it from a stop though.

[01_Celica_GT]

yeah i like the sound of you celica gts thats pretty good. I'm surprised you actually won, the cobalt ss is supposed ot have 210 HP?

[blakscorpion21]

he has a power fc and a cold air intake. plus the celi weighs about 300lbs less than the cobalt.

[01_Celica_GT]

So that apexi power fc must really work good huh? Is it worth the money?

How much horsepower do you think you havE?

[Vip09]

Originally Posted by 01_Celica_GT

So that apexi power fc must really work good huh? Is it worth the money?

How much horsepower do you think you havE?

Yes it works good. Yes, it's worth the money. I'm probably putting down around 170-180whp.

[01_Celica_GT]

No way. Doesn't the GTS have 180 HP stock? and your beating cobalt SS's? Thats pretty crazy.

I not trying to say your lying, but you have to be putting out more then that. I know someone who has an 2001 Integra Type-R And he is putting out about 195 - 200 whp and he is getting low 15's - high 14's

[Vip09]

Originally Posted by 01_Celica_GT

No way. Doesn't the GTS have 180 HP stock? and your beating cobalt SS's? Thats pretty crazy.

I not trying to say your lying, but you have to be putting out more then that. I know someone who has an 2001 Integra Type-R And he is putting out about 195 - 200 whp and he is getting low 15's - high 14's

Dude.. the ITR runs like 14.6-14.7 STOCK. Your friend can't drive to save his life. He should be running high 13's putting down 200whp. Guys with Celica GT-S's are running 13.5-14.0 putting down 175-190whp.

[01_Celica_GT]

Yeah I guess. He told me that he is running low 15's and maybe high 14's. He said that the civic EX runs like low 17's/high 16's.

I guess his brother told me he couldn't shift...

[blakscorpion21]

Originally Posted by 01_Celica_GT

No way. Doesn't the GTS have 180 HP stock? and your beating cobalt SS's? Thats pretty crazy.

I not trying to say your lying, but you have to be putting out more then that. I know someone who has an 2001 Integra Type-R And he is putting out about 195 - 200 whp and he is getting low 15's - high 14's

i think you are confusing whp and bhp. bhp is what cars are measured in from the factory, so 180bhp for a stock gts. whp is power at the wheels, because some is lost before iot gets there so a stock gt-s has about 150whp. he is running 180whp so that would be equivilent to about 210-220bhp. put that in a 2550lb car and you will smoke cobalt ss's all day long.

[01_Celica_GT]

oh wow, i didnt know there was a difference...so

WHP = Wheel horse power

and

BHP = estimated horsepower?

[blakscorpion21]

bhp is hp at the crankshaft after it is fresh out of the engine. the car then looses power through the drivetrain, ie transmission. this usually accounts for about a 20% loss. the factory measures hp from the engine crank while the dyno measures it at the wheels.