A new twist to the 'Muslim outrage' over those cartoons

[YogsVR4]

Apperently it all depends on 'who' publishes those cartoons......


http://egyptiansandmonkey.blogspot.c...ott-egypt.html

Wednesday, February 08, 2006
Boycott Egypt

Freedom For Egyptians reminded me why the cartoons looked so familiar to me: they were actually printed in the Egyptian Newspaper Al Fagr back in October 2005. I repeat, October 2005, during Ramadan, for all the egyptian muslim population to see, and not a single squeak of outrage was present. Al Fagr isn't a small newspaper either: it has respectable circulation in Egypt, since it's helmed by known Journalist Adel Hamoudah. Looking around in my house I found the copy of the newspaper, so I decided to scan it and present to all of you to see.





Guess we will have to Boycott Egypt now as well, huh?

Now while the arab islamic population was going crazy over the outrage created by their government's media over these cartoons, their governments was benifitting from its people's distraction. The Saudi royal Family used it to distract its people from the outrage over the Hajj stampede. The Jordanian government used it to distract its people from their new minimum wage law demanded by their labor unions. The Syrian Government used it to create secterian division in Lebanon and change the focus on the Harriri murder. And, finally, the Egyptian government is using it to distract us while it passes through the new Judiciary reforms and Social Security Bill- which will cut over $300 million dollars in benefits to some of Egypt's poorest families. But, see, the people were not paying attention, because they were too busy defending the prophet by sending out millions of e-mails and SMS-messages, boycotting cheese and Lego and burning Butter and the danish Flag. Let's not even mention the idiots who went the usual route of "It's a jewish conspiracy", spouted the stupid argument about the Holocaust, or went on a diatribe with the old favorite "There is an organized campaign-headed by the west and the jews- to attack and discredit Islam, and we have to defend it". They proved, once again, that the arab world is retarded and deserves no better than its leaders.

Whatever...

[fredjacksonsan]

Heh. Goes to show you. It's Millah Time!

[directory]

hehe, you should leak this to the press...it would show the world how stupid they are bring...

they are so boring....

[TerminalVelocity]

hahaha, thats good man. A lil bitter? Well I have to agree, especally having lightly studied the religion I know its being used as a complete tool. Kinda like how Catholicism (sp) was being used in the middle ages...well...and many other times throughout history.

The leaders should all be executed and new leaders dedicated to the faith should be put into place IMO.

[Muscletang]

Mindless tools is right...







Last, my favorite...



These people are all pissed from a damn cartoon. These same people though handed out candy and cheered during 9/11.

Talk about a bunch of pussys.

[TerminalVelocity]

Makes me want to join the Corps....

[Shpyder]

Originally Posted by Muscletang

These same people though handed out candy and cheered during 9/11.

Just an FYI. The clips initially aired by MSNBC of people cheering were taken from a media library, archived several years ago. The clips were aired as "recently shot". Anyone notice how it was daytime in the gaza strip and daytime in NY.... F_ck the media.

[BNaylor]

I spent 3 years in the Middle East (country omitted) and they are very sensitive on these issues although hypocritical towards others. What can you say.

[Muscletang]

Originally Posted by bnaylor3400

What can you say?

Dumbass double Muslims (see Richard Pryor). That's what I have to say.

Iran: U.S., Europe Should Pay for Drawings

Originally Posted by Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

"Now in the West insulting the prophet is allowed, but questioning the Holocaust is considered a crime," he said. "We ask, why do you insult the prophet? The response is that it is a matter of freedom, while in fact they (who insult the founder of Islam) are hostages of the Zionists. And the people of the U.S. and Europe should pay a heavy price for becoming hostages to Zionists."

FUCK YOU TOO!!! Why don't you shut the fuck up and not be such a fucking dumbass camel jocky.

The New York Times has printed pictures of Christ being dipped in a bucket of piss. They even reviewed a play that said Jesus was a flaming homosexual and called it "tasteful art." You don't see me bitching about it do you?

Grow some fucking balls and stop being a such a fucking pussy.

[Shpyder]

The Iranian president was told to shut the hell up about the cartoons because it was all under the oh-so-precious "freedom of speech" premise.

Well, he bascially challenged the newspaper editor to this: if he could provide a documented and intellectual discussion on why he believed that the holocaust was an exaggerated lie, would the editor be willing to publish it, since it seemed okay to insult a reverred prophet of Islam, under the freedom of speech reasoning? The editor agreed. The editor was then fired the next day, and the head of the paper came out saying that the editor had made a terrible mistake. Freedom of speech? Oh yes. Gotta love all that freedom. And here we all whine about the hypocrisy of the east. People pick and chose what they want freedom of speech to say to them, and from the post above, it seems that defiling Jesus seems acceptable, but not the holocaust. Double-standards and hypocrisy? Never.

Please, grow the heck up, and go through a few volumes of the history of the world. You will realize that there is no such thing as complete freedom of speech. Political correctness and bereaucratic hierachies, in conjucture with the inevitable corruption of absolute power, brings with it a stifling blow to freedom of speech. Get your head out of the sand. A few months into the Iraq war, a father and son team were shopping at their local mall, wearing T-shirts with a "PEACE" symbol on it. Just shopping, no protesting or anything of the nature, nothing at all. They were ARRESTED by local police for wearing those T-shirts on some b.s. charge. They then appeared on the (despised) O'Rielly Factor, where even heartless Mr. O'Rielly sympathized with them. That's one tiny story. A damn T-shirt. If the govt. doesn't like what you have to say, your gone baby. One way or another. I've lived in 3 different continents of the globe for equal divisions of my 22 year old life, all governments are corrupt. Ever been outside your state, bud, to see what kinda grass grows there?

The BBC just aired a clip about how the editor was previously contacted by someone who wanted to draw some Jesus cartoons, a few months prior to the Islamic ones. The gentleman was told that they would not publish the toons because they would "unnecessarily offend people in bad taste". And then, wow, Muslim cartoons get printed a few months later. So, youre telling me, that you don't think it's a bad idea to publish an image of a figure revered dearly by 1 billion people, people who believe it forbidden to have a representation of their leader in the first place, let alone an image that is down-right insulting. People who you know are going to go bezerk doing what they believe is "protecting their religion". Oh, and just between you and me, the Muslim brethren are a little psycho to begin with, with the whole Israeli problem and the Iraq war and Mr. Bin Laden, so let's do this. Piss them off with some cartoons, yes! Let me ask you. Is it really worth the entertainment? Because you've just lost a whole lot more of moderate Muslims to the other side. People who didn't hate the west, or couldnt give a crap before, now have become polar because some gung-ho cartoonist and editor couldn't keep their phallus inside their mouths and pants, and decided to bravely risk it all by printing that junk. Oh that's cool, let's just take our bombs over there and kill them all. 1 billion, jeez, that doesnt sound like a lot. Oh, and theyre all dumb, useless people anyways. And our super precise bombs and intelligence network will destroy only the bad one's. But yeah, I wouldnt want my dad or brother to go to that war, it's just to risky, so let Joe Schmo go, yeah, he'll sacrifice himself to defend our FREEDOM! Yeah baby! We'll give his widow a medal and send her on her way. Gotta love war.

There's a starving crazy dog on the side of the road. Let's poke it in the ass with a stick, and then wonder in awe why it just tore your scrotal sac off. Why o why o why. GET AN EDUCATION, OR THE HUMAN RACE IS PRETTY MUCH DOOMED TO SH_T

[YogsVR4]

There's a starving crazy dog on the side of the road. Let's poke it in the ass with a stick, and then wonder in awe why it just tore your scrotal sac off. Why o why o why. GET AN EDUCATION, OR THE HUMAN RACE IS PRETTY MUCH DOOMED TO SH_T

We should coddle the mad dog? Its thinking like that which leads to world wars. Its pretty clear who needs some history lessons.

[Shpyder]

Originally Posted by YogsVR4

We should coddle the mad dog? Its thinking like that which leads to world wars. Its pretty clear who needs some history lessons.

Coddle? Shoot it, for all I care. The world coddled Hitler as he took Poland, I see the reference. You fail to address the significance of poking it in the ass first, ofcourse. The quote you selected to critique was perhaps misundersood in its entirety. The gist of it was: poke the dog, but then don't be surprised at the results. For good or bad, that is besides the point, something that I have not discussed. Simple cause-and-effect, any way you look at it. Al-Qaeda massacres civilians on 9/11. The U.S., as expected, bombs the living daylights out of Afghanistan (and then Iraq, and a few more to follow, probably). Some cartoons get published. As expected, Muslims decide to torch some embassies. Your telling me no one saw this coming, knowing the mentality of these people on this particular issue? Yeah, I need a history lesson.

For people who confuse my post as a supporting voice for the buffoons torching buildings and hurting people, I don't have a whole lot to say to them, because it is rather obvious an incomplete hasty glance has set such a misguiding tone in your heads.

Do I think Muslim outrage is justified?
Yes. Suppose I were a Christian and had some newspaper from a predominantly Islamic country publish some crap about Jesus, I wouldnt be too happy about it. Just because some art show portrays Jesus as a homosexual, and everyone is all accepting and okay about such treatment of a revered prophet of a major world religion in the name of "art" and "freedom of speech", I would recognize a breach of civil responsibility of the producer of the artwork to recognize the potential insult in that particular message to so many people. Would the world be less prosperous if people could keep that filth to themselves? Apparently so.

Do I agree with their medievil methods of displaying their emotion?
No, who in their right mind would. What is going on is needlessly pathetic and those guys need to get LAID. Frustration from other venues of previously precieved injury and enmities adds to the violence, unfairly surfacing at this time, triggered by a bunch of stupid cartoons. Is their violence justified? Of course not, since it is a completely disproportionate response to the original "attack".

Do I beleive the half-baked oafs at the newspaper had an idea of what was going to happen?
Anyone who has ever had a whiff of international affairs since the past few years knew, which is where, sir, your history lessons come in, YogsVR4. The "Koran flushed down the toilet" story at Guantanamo was a great one, and we all saw the bullshit that ensued. Why the heck would anyone want a replay of that? A cost-benefit analysis would have told the publishers otherwise. It's not opinion, it's basic economics. End of story.

Originally Posted by YogsVR4

Apperently it all depends on 'who' publishes those cartoons......

And you are absoutely correct on that one, I couldnt agree more. That is the twisted nature of this entire ordeal, but, again, something that was easily predictable and could have just as easily been avoided.

[directory]

agreed

[TerminalVelocity]

Silence allows evil to spread.



Let me elobrate for you. Lets go back a few years (ok, alot for some of us) back to Elementary school. Assuming you wern't the bully...rember him. If he were to beat one kid and noone were to say or do anything, what is he going to do? Stop and have an moment of emotional and spiritual realisaition on his ethics or is he going to pummel another kid and take his money too?

You know this answer, especally if you were that bully. I will not stand silent with my beliefs...I have gotten the shit kicked outa me several times in my life standing up for myself and others when noone else would. Yes, you can say absolute power corrupts absolutly...but that is because of the silence of the people. How can you condone what the protestors are doing and condem out political cartoons? Oh boy, some newspaper did not post pictures of Jesus but did depict the prophet of Islam in a way unforavable to some. That is buisness, one or a few peoples decisions. It is not "the Man" deciding it as you seem to love to put. Hate to tell you but the Religion does not say to burn everyone with different views, infact Christianity, Islam and Jewidism all were together origionally, and they all share the same core beliefs. Now the religion is being used to create fanatics and cause unrest. The religion is a tool now to controll the people so their leaders can do as they wish, and smite those they don't like.

A few months into the Iraq war, a father and son team were shopping at their local mall, wearing T-shirts with a "PEACE" symbol on it. Just shopping, no protesting or anything of the nature, nothing at all. They were ARRESTED by local police for wearing those T-shirts on some b.s. charge.

First, do you personally know them, and know that the charges were bs? And do you know that the government chose them personally to be arrested and silenced because they had t-shirts with a symbol? Or did you hear this from a friend, or read it somewhere obsecure? A cop is still a person with their own views. They might have lost a son, daughter, brother, sister, mother, father, lover, or a friend to this war, or the attacks on 9/11 or many other acts of terror caused in the name of Islam. That peace symbol could be taken as "fuck your loved ones, we shouldnt hurt those that TORE LOVED ONES AWAY FROM YOU"

I know of another time where religion was used for war. The crusades....how much of a black mark for Christanity is that? Is it because the nations of Islam were able to repel the Christian crusades several times? That because they were the victors they wrote history? I doubt it, at the time the nations of Islam were into creating, life, poetry, knowlage, peace, law. How long has those ideals fallen from those desert hells?

A person is a person...I have been friends with believers of Islam, Jewdism, Paganism, Satanism, Buddism, and many others. A person can be good or bad, it is their choice. But people....also known as sheep, can be shortsighted, closed minded, angry, vengefull, and simply follow whatever is said by one that seemed to find himself infront of the crowd.

You can have your views, I am an AMERICAN so I will not try to take your views away from you. But you best belive I will for DAMN sure say my views and not sit silently for injustice.

Anyway, it was just a cartoon, fuck them.

(ps. I can't spell today....dosen't help I am at work)

[Raz_Kaz]

Lemme make this simple.

People there hold religion to a higher standard than people here.

Insulting religion over there is like insulting Republicans here, lol.






JK, you redneck bastards. But seriously, the first part is for true.