opinions?

[clipsekid99]

EDIT: I found the page I was looking for....http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbul...d.php?t=397132 . I want to get the same rotors, but I'm not too sure about the pads that come in the package I'm looking at. Anyone have any opinions on AXXIS PBR Metal Master Semi Metallic Brake Pads? Should I go with these, or just buy the rotors and get some other pads somewhere else. In that thread, spyderturbo007 put in Akebono ProACT Ceramic Pads. Anyone have any say in this?
Thanks

[Thor06]

Damn looks good. $330 doesnt sound too bad for performance rotors and pads. I would assume that they did the dimpling/slotting on brembo rotors, like brembo made the rotor, then they modified it. I tink AXXIS pads are good, I've heard good things, but not many and no bad things.

[clipsekid99]

How about stainless steel brake lines? Worth the extra $100 or no?

[Gsx_hooptie]

Metal Masters are fine. There's the old debate about metal vs. ceramic pads in our archives IIRC. They leave dust and can sqeek. Oh wells, they grip fine.

FYI, just because they're Brembo rotors doesn't mean they were slotted by Brembo. Usually they're not, so quality varies. Slotted/Crossdrilled/dimpled rotors can also crack.

Slots with "nice smooth edges" ruin the point. Riiiiiiiice. Rice. RICE!

Zinc coating isn't generally a good idea, although it sounds nice. Unless they can prove is works, don't pay a premium for it.

I don't like that site. Too much of that info is misleading. Just because they aren't lying doesn't mean they're telling all the truth.

Originally Posted by clipsekid99

How about stainless steel brake lines? Worth the extra $100 or no?

Should be your first brake mod, not your last, IMO. 100 is a little steep, maybe search around? I thought RRE charged 70-80.

Also... your options

1) StopTech or other complete system. Couple grand.
2) Baer or AEM on front. 500ish with calipers, rotors, pads, and lines.
3) Rotors, pads, and lines on your own. Cheapest.

I went with #2. I liked. Good luck!

[clipsekid99]

So would you suggest something more along the lines of this?:

http://www.extremepsi.com/store/cust...cat=779&page=1

Stage 2 brake upgrade, includes StopTech stainless steel brake lines for front and rear, 3 bottles of Motul 600 brake fluid, StopTech Street Pads for front and rear, and 4 Slotted or Drilled stock-sized rotors. FITS STOCK CALIPERS.

A bit more pricey than the other site, but I hear StopTech is a good company, and it is listed in this month's Turbo Magazine "brake tech" article! LOL I guess that this is an omen.

[Gsx_hooptie]

Originally Posted by clipsekid99

LOL I guess that this is an omen.

I like it!

Right, well.

I don't want to get really self-righteous, or hypothetical about this stuff. Other than from the brake lines, you won't see much benefit until you hit the track. It really is about looking good. So, in that regard, buy stuff that will last and look pretty, without breaking the bank. Nothing wrong there, just know what you buy.

1) I don't know that the brand of lines matters. No idea. I would assume SS is SS.
2) Motul fluid has a higher boiling point. This is great if you're worried about your fluid boiling. Like, if you're at the track and frequently using your brakes. You'll see minimal benefit on the street. FWIW, Motul 600 really is good stuff when you need it. Ford sells some sweet stuff for cheaper, too, FYI (also good).
3) No experience with StopTech pads. I'd search Tooners. They're a good brand, as I'm sure you know.
4) Rotors are rotors, kinda. Until you're worried about brake fade, again here we're thinking track use, slots and dimples are for looking hot. Why not to buy:
1) They'll increase your chances of cracking
2) They reduce your effective area of braking
3) With true slots, you're slowly shearing a layer from your brake pads, reducing their life, for the benefit of increasing their braking capacity under load, and again here we'd be talking track use.

The guys I've met who are serious keep the full rotors on their street cars, and save the swiss cheese rotors for the track. What looks hot isn't always what is cool (or keeps your rotors as such).

See Cliff's Notes at bottom unless you care
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Extreme psi were pretty cool people when I called, and their prices are hit and miss...

I had this http://www.streetortrack.com/baer-br...ipse-front.asp. Got it second-hand for cheap. Also, not all 17" rims do fit that app, too. I'm an RRE whore. They sell these: http://www.roadraceengineering.com/eclbrakes.htm. I'm not sure how AEM and Baer compare, but some neurotic fuckers on Tooners would.

So. Buy the traditional stuff and do see an (small) honest benefit, for ~400. Like your first link. Or get a better kit for what looks like 800+ new. My econ minor tells me... the marginal benefit received from the better brakes should be worth 400 dollars of purchase power to you. So, pros and cons. The better brakes stop you a little faster in traffic (Baer uses old zr1 'vette calipers), and a lot faster at the track. Since you don't hit the track, to my knowledge, rule that benefit out. Then, the nicer kits look better. Lastly, you get the knowledge of believing you own something nice, coupled with the feeling of owning something that makes you safer. An extra bonus, if applicable, would be soliciting parental aid under the guise of making their child safer through subsidization of a brake system.

So, assuming the funds are available, as we always do in economics , and assuming none of these properties has a quantifiable number to be assinged, decide for yourself...
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Does a little better street braking power + A little better looks + A warm fuzzy feeling - Potential, marginal parental support > $400

If so, buy a better kit. Otherwise, buy the cheap hottness. Good luck.

[ez1286]

Don't slots help to expell gases produced during braking, therefore increasing braking power because the gases build between the pad and the rotor. I'd say go for a big brake kit, they go for ~$800 and include calipers and rotors and ss lines.

[clipsekid99]

Well, I just searched tuners, and many people have the first kit I posted, and like it - the turboimport.com kit with the Brembo slotted/dimpled rotors, and the Axxis pads for $329. I'm 99% sure I'm gonna go with this kit + the stainless braided lines.

[ez1286]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Eclip...QQcmdZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Eclip...QQcmdZViewItem
I found these cause im gonna be doing my brakes soon too, I like the whole kit with line and all.

[Gsx_hooptie]

Originally Posted by ez1286

Don't slots help to expell gases produced during braking, therefore increasing braking power because the gases build between the pad and the rotor. I'd say go for a big brake kit, they go for ~$800 and include calipers and rotors and ss lines.

The idea is to expell heat caused by friction (in the form of gas, as you said). The benefit is minimal if you're driving on a freeway and slam on your brakes to avoid a wreck. You're not getting hot enough to make much advantage of your slots. Not having slotted rotors on a course is bad, because repititious use of the brakes heat them until they can fail entirely.

Good luck with the brakes clipsekid

Edit>> I used "slots" generically to mean any cutting of the rotor contact surface.

[TheRomer]

not to jack the thread but.... i got those same exact rotors off ebay, and the front ones fit and work and look really good, but the back ones did not fit. the thickness of the rotor is not the same, and the break pads kept falling off. idk if there is something i can do for that, or maybe they are the gst rear rotors (are they the same) but the rear ones are brembo drilled and slotted and look exactly like the ones in the pic. but they dont fit... sry if im jacking the thread but i thought this would help you and me at the same time. any suggestions on my problem though?