Major Incident With Drug Dealers and Mexican Army at Border

[BNaylor]

Here's some interesting news which was carried nationally after a serious incident in Texas involving drug dealers and possibly the Mexican Army and our law enforcement including Sheriff's Deputies, Border Patrol and Texas DPS (Highway Patrol). We were outgunned. The drug smugglers were backed by heavily armed people wearing military style uniforms and carrying machine guns. Also, they had a military style Humvee with a .50 caliber machine gun. Since 1999 there have been at least 200 cases involving the Mexican Army making incursions across our border with Mexico.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/natio...2846-6233r.htm

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11021314/

WTF?

[tenguzero]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11045234/

Tell me the Mexican authorities didn't have any knowledge of that? Good to see our "buddy" Vicente has such a solid hold of his country.

You know, I have as much respect for other cultures and nationalities as the next non-xenophobic person, but between illegal immigration, drug cartels (although rightfully half the blame goes to the users who keep them in business and the U.S. government for it's ridiculous "war on drugs"), border altercations, MS-13, rights abuses, etc., I think it's not overreaching on my part to claim that we might just be better off severing all ties with Mexico (in addition to cracking down on the illegal immigration loopholes already affecting us, of course.)

I truly feel sorry for Mexican citizens who just want a decent life for themselves and their families -- access to college, guaranteed constitutional rights, reasonable employment, etc. -- it's not their fault that their country is run by corrupt leadership, possesses generally poor facilities, and is by default the de facto land route available for the transport of narcotics between the U.S. and Central/South America. But what can be done? Until there is some sort of people's revolution pr something of the like, I just don't see Mexico's lot improving much -- and we have enough domestic problems of our own here in the U.S. that need fixing, never mind adding on the baggage of Mexico as well.

[BNaylor]

Originally Posted by tenguzero

Tell me the Mexican authorities didn't have any knowledge of that? Good to see our "buddy" Vicente has such a solid hold of his country.

I agree and the Sheriff of El Paso County believes the Mexican Army was involved:

http://www.kvia.com/Global/story.asp?S=4417404

If you look carefully at the upper right corner of the pic, the Humvee is visible. The video shots on the news were much better and compelling.

It sounds like it is about time we started using our own Army at more points along the 2200 mile border like they are doing in New Mexico as a test. We have a whole brigade of Armored Cavalry with Apache attack helicopters stationed here to cover the EL Paso sector.

One day we are going to lose some fine law enforcement officers because they are not capable of taking on opposing military or paramilitary forces which happen to be in so called friendly Mexico.

This is a serious situation and needs to be nipped in the butt.

[Muscletang]

1.) Pull all of our forces out of Iraq. What is that around, a little over 100,000?

2.) Station all those troops on the border. That's 454 troops per every mile of the border.

Wouldn't that actually help our war on terror?

[BNaylor]

Originally Posted by Muscletang

1.) Pull all of our forces out of Iraq. What is that around, a little over 100,000?

2.) Station all those troops on the border. That's 454 troops per every mile of the border.

Wouldn't that actually help our war on terror?

I don't know about the just the war on terror but I would add war against drugs and illegal immigration to round it off.

Hell of a way to use our military but it might be necessary one of these days.

[vinnym86]

Ever see the movie "Traffic"? watch it. its the pple who made "Syriana".
In that, too, showed how unbeknownst to the mexican and US government, a mexican military general was a key cocaine smuggler. Also raises a lot of cool political debates on what should be done to fight the drug wars, etc etc.

[03cavPA]

We have some members from El Paso on another forum I use, and we've talked about this kind of stuff in the past. Those units may not be actual Mexican military, but they could be groups who were trained by US at one time. It seems that some ex-military members from Mexico are involved in protecting the drug business. These guys are ruthless and are greatly feared down there. If anybody can shed some more light on this, I'd be really interested in more info. I can only speak from third-and fourth-hand information, so I may be all wrong on this.

It goes without saying that drugs are big business and getting bigger all the time. Those poor illegals are part of the problem, but you really can't blame them for coming over here to take part in a better life. Living in Mexico sucks for them, I'm sure.

I see a point in the near future when we might have to lock down our borders, and use our military to patrol them. It would sure be a more worthy cause than our present misguided efforts elsewhere. At least we'd actually be protecting our own country on that front.

Of course, this assumes that our government is truly interested in protecting this country from outside interests. Are we prepared to pay more for consumer goods, if we can no longer abuse cheap Mexican labor for our industries?

[fredjacksonsan]

In answer to your question, 03Cav, I'd pay an extra 50cents or dollar here and there for items in order to have secure borders.


I've maintained for some time now the same idea that Muscletang has - that having military units on the borders is a very cost effective way to handle the situation.

[03cavPA]

Originally Posted by fredjacksonsan

I've maintained for some time now the same idea that Muscletang has - that having military units on the borders is a very cost effective way to handle the situation.

I agree completely. If the US is such a vile and evil place, full of infidels and devils, then maybe we just need to close the doors and let everyone else fend for themselves.

That won't happen. Big corporations won't allow it. They wouldn't be able to outsource jobs to cheap labor.

Don't everybody beat me up about the the global nature of our economy. I'm just trying to be semi-facetious.

[driftinggrifter2]

I agree with both the post above. Every one hates us no one wants to help us but they all want help from us. Also i think the mexican gov. knows and does provide help to the cartels and smugglers for a good price but of course they will deny it.
I like this excerpt from one of the links. Mexican foreign minister is trying to shift the blame to us

In an earlier diplomatic note, US Ambassador in Mexico Tony Garza officially demanded the Mexican government to "fully investigate" the incident. Secretary of Foreign Affairs Derbez, suggested the men in green may have been American soldiers disguised as Mexican troops.

[HotZ28]

Well, if you saw the "State of the Union" speech the other night, Bush said that the "Mexican workers are a vital part of the US economy", so don't look for any Federal policy changes, or other border enforcement upgrades while under the Bush watch! The only changes that can be made will have to come from the individual states.

The politicians normally refer to the problem as "immigrant worker, border crossing". Come on guys. It is an "invasion of our borders"!

When these poor people cross the border, they have a basic knowledge of how to survive in a corrupt land, and bring all of that knowledge with them. In Mexico, you have two classes of people, the rich and the poor. The rich prey off of the poor and are by nature, more skilled in corruption than their counterparts; therefore, they have no need to cross the border.

The "poor migrant worker", once in the US, can get free medical care, housing, education and welfare based on how many kids they produce. If the kids are born on the US side, the whole family becomes entitled to every benefit available to any US citizen. Who can blame these poor folks for wanting all that free stuff?

The problem is not the people; it is the politicians on both sides of the border!! The “professional politicians” on this side of the border, are just as corrupt as their counterparts below the border. Keep in mind that most politicians are former Lawyers! (The lowest form of human life)!


The only answer to the problem is to find some new leaders who are not “professional politicians” that can focus on the problem and have a real desire to change the system, then put them in office.
Good Luck!

[BNaylor]

Here is an update on the situation:

http://www.kvia.com/Global/story.asp?S=4449500

[HotZ28]

The update is just what I expected! It will get worse before it gets better.

[03cavPA]

I agree, I'm waiting for the gunshots to start. The damn federal government is making a very big mistake downplaying this too much. How long can the Texas state gov't. wait before they declare self defense? The Rio Grande isn't very wide at all down that way.

It probably won't be long before some vigilantes get involved and turn it into a real mess. Some of the civilian militia groups are pretty well armed, too.

[BNaylor]

The incident is by no means funny but this is: