Engine Swap

[Evilwayz249]

Someone told me that the best engine swap on a civic is a h22 engine swap. I dont know much about this engine....someone out there want to explain it to me. My friend told me that with this h22 swap it will outrun a Nissan Spec v is this true and how fast can i make the h22 go. Thanks

[joebowlr21]

The powerful Vtec H22a motor.Those are from the new gen. SH preludes.My brother swapped one into his 88 4WS lude, and it's fukin quick.The motor itself produces about 220HP with V-tec kicking in at about 4000RPM while the motor redlines at an amazing 9000RPM.Some people say it's the best swap, but others say it's just to heavy for the car.Depending on the model civic, it would be a great swap.Although i'm seeing alot more of the H22A swap into 94-97 accords.The motor cost about 4-7g's depending on the condition u get it in.Not to sure on out running the Spec V since i've never seen one in action, but u get your money's worth on the motor.

[lowcivicman99]

:smoker2: I give it a thumbs down all the way. For Civic Owners. The H22 is one of the most difficult swaps to do just because you have to relocate the motor mounts and the wiring in the harness from the engine bay to the ECU it self is different. You have to completely pull out the old harness and put in the h22 one. and that one HA HA good luck I would rather find a needle in a haystack (I'll let you know when I find that damn thing) But serioulsy though if you were going to spend the money for the H22 or in theory any H series motor for the 92+ Civics then I would buy the B18C5 USDM or JDM B18. This is a Good Swap for mainly 2 reasons.

1. Compared to the H22 the B18C5 is only a 10hp difference, A good pair of slicks would fix that problem.

2. Also you have to consider the power to weight ratio in the whole deal. The H22 is heavier then the B18 so actually the 2 engines swaped into the same car with the same everything but the engines the B18 would win just because the Civic is and the B series engine is lighter.

Your best bet would be to go with the B18C5.....

Joe 99 Civic Hatch:smoker2:

[asnrefugee]

Well i disagree about the wieght thingy. There's no replacement for displacement. The H22a has way more torque than the b18c. I wouldn't get a h22a for a daily driver cuz u wouldn't have any room to put your A/C in.

Neways importbuilders.com is puttin a k20 into a 7th generation civic.
In time there will be a kit to put a k series engine into 5th and 6th generation civics. NOW THAT WOULD BE SWEET

[lowcivicman99]

Well I'm not the one to talk on the K series motors cause I'm not a big fan of the I-Vtec's but I have never driven one with the new motors. So I can't really talk about that. Maybe someday.... Only new car I was in was the 01` Civic and that was a EX at that, and I have to say.... I have a 5 speed lawn mower that has more HP then that peice of crap.


Joe
99 Civic Hatch

[joebowlr21]

Originally posted by lowcivicman99
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1. Compared to the H22 the B18C5 is only a 10hp difference, A good pair of slicks would fix that problem.

2. Also you have to consider the power to weight ratio in the whole deal. The H22 is heavier then the B18 so actually the 2 engines swaped into the same car with the same everything but the engines the B18 would win just because the Civic is and the B series engine is lighter.

Your best bet would be to go with the B18C5.....
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I agree on the wieght issue, but why would u swap in a B18C5??Sure it's the all mighty Type R motor but it's N/A.If you're going for a B series motor the B18c would be the perfect substitute.With the GSR motor, you have the option to turbocharge, something you can't do to a Type R motor.Sure the GSR is only wut, 160 hp compared to the us-spec type r which is 195, but i've seend turbocharged B18C's pushing close to 270HP with the right tunning of the turbo.And the GSR motor would be lighter, i think, then the type R.

[lowcivicman99]

Bro I totally agree with you. If someone were to go T,SS, or NOS then then the better motor would be the B18A/B Or known as the LS and GS. Just because of the lower compression. But then again I have seen the C5 with a turbo. huh Go figure, Actually to think of it You know the high ass compression that the S2k has??? I have actually seen a turbo on that set at 9 psi's. But the question I have for that on is WHY? Anyway The C5 is alot of money and mainly why would you spend 5-7 g's on a C5 and then put a turbo on it..... Good Point bro

Joe 99 Civic Hatch

[honda troll]

Okay, please let me educate on the following points.
First off, ANY of these engine swaps will make your civic hand the Spec V it's ass.

Yes, an H22A engine will probably get you a very quick civic. With the engine swap alone into a civic you will get low 14's (high-mid 13's with a hatchback). With a good driver that is. However, you will have a car that handles like a turd. The H22A engine is very heavy, compared to it's B-series brothers. So if you don't care about stopping or turning, then go H22A.

Otherwise you can get the B18C5 (ITR) or B18C1 (GSR). Those swaps alone will put a civic into mid 14's (hatch into high 13's/low 14's). Again, with a good driver. A B18C series motor should cost around 2 grand for engine and transmission/ECU. make sure you get the transmission and ECU with any engine you purchase. And the B18C will bolt in easier than the H22A.

Now, onto the other posts here....
There will never be any kits to put a K series engine into any civic. The K20 that is going into the 7th gen is costing an arm and a leg. This is because the engine is completely flipped around and spins in a different direction, and mounts completely different. Much welding and changing of the framework must be done. And to try to put a K series engine into a previous gen civic is even more costly. You can get the same gains for a 1/4 the cost with a B18C5.

Uh, turbo on B18C1/B18C5? Hello, they are practically the same engine, and turbo kits are available for BOTH. Compression can be dropped with a simple head gasket, depending on setup.

And as for B18A/B engines. If you want the little more torque that they have, you can build a frankenstein very easily. Take the bottom end of the B18A/B engine and put the head of a B18C5 engine on top. Now you have the low end torque of the B18A/B and the top end power of the B18C5.

And the S2000's turbo kits usually come with a head gasket to drop compression, making them capable of running 10psi+

[asnrefugee]

About the K-series motor. It may spin the other way around.
THE apexi integra that is running 8's have teh 6 speed tranny from an infiniti. They had to change the b18 to spin the other way for the tranny. So as for bolting the k-series motor on it could happen. Doesn't the 7th generation civic use a d-series motor. If so it's possible that it has the same engine bay as the previous civics. If it is I want to see someone drop a b-series engine into the 7th generation civic.

LS/VTEC is not as simple as just putting the head on. Plus it's unreliable. And yea find a reputable shop and they can make it more reliable. But it's a daily driver. I don't know how much the cost of labor for a ls/vtec is, but i think it's a pretty penny.

ohh and HONDA TROLL I don't know if i read your post correctly but are you talking about just the b18c engine is around $2000 or are you saying it is around $2000 for the b18c, ecu, tranny, etc. I can finr a b16a for that much but not a b18c. They run for a lil over $3000.

finally if you're on a budget get a b16a2 or b18b cuz it's cheaper than a b18c and turbo charge that SOB.

[honda troll]

Yeah, just engine $2000.

Yeah, it is possible to change the engine's direction and flip it around, and it IS being done. But by the time you are finished swapping the K20A2 into the 7th gen, it is costing somewhere around $7000 or even more. So because of that cost, there really won't be any swap kits coming out for that swap.

And yes, the 7th gens have the a D-series motor, but it's a different platform, and a 1.7 liter. Putting in a B-series engine has been looked into, and it would be MORE expensive than putting in a K-series engine.

If you need further information on either of these subjects, you can go to www.7thgencivic.com

[integra818]

Originally Posted by honda troll

Yeah, just engine $2000.

But by the time you are finished swapping the K20A2 into the 7th gen, it is costing somewhere around $7000 or even more. So because of that cost, there really won't be any swap kits coming out for that swap.

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Are you including the price of the engine also???