Another Turbonator?

[Cailen]

Whaddya guys think? Saw this link making another post... Seems expensive.

http://www.gogreenfuel.com/index.html

[mike1224]

maybe worth while if your a high milage driver. according to their own numbers that system will pay for it self in 271 months.... almost 23 years. for a fleet of cars/trucks it could be a decent idea. but since i've put maybe 14,000 miles in almost 3 years its a waste.

[Tangent]

Flat out BS. If this product this even a tenth of what it claimed they wouldn't be selling it to private parties, they'de be selling it manufacturers. This way they would not only be making more money than they could spend, they'd also be fulfilling their claimed mission of protecting the environment be ensuring that all new cars got this technology. Manufacturers would kill for this kind of claimed reduction because it would let them sell more SUVs without killing their CAFE scores and they could more agressively tune their engines for more power while still meeting emissions requirements.

This is just another case of something sounding just plausible enough to sucker people into buying it, but proven to be worthless by the companies that have the resources to really verify the claims.

[MrNelson]

My neighbor has this installed on an Expedition. Apparently it's not BS to him because he is getting the system installed on all his vehicles. I want to get one just to help protect the environment.

[MrNelson]

I used their savaings calculator and it will only take me about 1 1/2 years to pay it off, I think you messed up on your math.

[wolfox]

Originally Posted by MrNelson

My neighbor has this installed on an Expedition. Apparently it's not BS to him because he is getting the system installed on all his vehicles. I want to get one just to help protect the environment.

What utter drivel...

Want to protect the environment? Keep your rig tuned up. Seriously. Gadgets like this are a complete waste of time, ESPECIALLY on vortex scavenging engines like our 4.3 *Vortech*engines. Why do you think the engine is named the way it is? Already a cyclonic induction system is built into the engine, from the factory. Keep it tuned and clean and feed it good, fresh gas and you'll do more to protect the environment than some boxed, splederific, overglorified POS that doesn't benefit our engines one bit. Oh, and recycle all used fluids and fix leaks *immediately*. There ya go - the key to responsible, green driving already laid out.

It may work on the Ford Expedition because - well face it, they need all the help they can get. And they do not have a cyclone-like induction system.

EDITReads Link)
OMG...not another one of these hokey electrolysis units!? DAMN! These things need MORE power than they return to the engine to generate the hydrogen/oxygen gasses they feed into the intake stream. That electrical power that they need to operate is taken from your engine's alternator and battery. You then have to burn MORE gasoline to keep up with the load imposed on the charging system to keep these gadgets working properly. Total, total green-hooey advertiser-spin on a totally JUNK product.

[blazee]

Originally Posted by wolfox

What utter drivel...

Want to protect the environment? Keep your rig tuned up. Seriously. Gadgets like this are a complete waste of time, ESPECIALLY on vortex scavenging engines like our 4.3 *Vortech*engines. Why do you think the engine is named the way it is? Already a cyclonic induction system is built into the engine, from the factory. Keep it tuned and clean and feed it good, fresh gas and you'll do more to protect the environment than some boxed, splederific, overglorified POS that doesn't benefit our engines one bit. Oh, and recycle all used fluids and fix leaks *immediately*. There ya go - the key to responsible, green driving already laid out.

It may work on the Ford Expedition because - well face it, they need all the help they can get. And they do not have a cyclone-like induction system.

Check his profile. He's from the same town as the website that sells these. Coincidence?

[wolfox]

Before we sound the shill alarm, we'll give him a good three pace head start... Sorry about editing my post on ya in your post, I actually took time to read the link. Electrolysis....fneh. People have been trying to use this angle to generate fuel for Hydorgen Fuel cell cars until they figured out that it took MORE energy in electricity to seperate the elemental gasses than when they were recombined and combusted in the engine. Back to the drawing board - but not before they dump these devices on the market with enough spin and using "green key words" to make people sleep warm, happy and fuzzy at night.

WAKE UP folks - some sh*t doesn't, nor ever will work.

[biv343]

Hey, only 115.2 months payback for me. That's based on 20,000 miles a year at 30 MPG (I have an 4 banger Alero as my daily driver). At 2.50 a gallon, it'll be paid for when it's almost 17 years old and at the bottom of the scrap heap.

[MrNelson]

Dear Wolfox, blazee, tangent,
I'm not a sales person, I just stated my neighbor has some installed and his vehicles - and his emissions tests show an 80% reduction in emissions, improved horsepower, was getting 12.5 MPG and is now getting 16 MPG.
You guys need to calm the F down, and research the product before you come to conclusions.
Anywho, I want to save gas and the environment, so I plan on purchasing one for my car soon. And it only takes a couple years to pay off, guess you guys need to learn addition and subtraction....lol

[Brian R.]

If there were no thermal losses (which there are with flowing 30 amps through a circuit), the breaking of water into hydrogen and oxygen and then reburning them to reform water will net you exactly zero. There is no way this device does anything except move water from the jar to the exhaust.

Thermodynamics is impossible to fight. It is one of the few truths in the world.

[Cailen]

I think that was Wolfox's point (basic addition and subtraction). You see.. there's this principle that states energy can not be created nor destroyed, only transformed. Man's obvious lack of any efficient conversion method suggests that this device is only going to rob power from somewhere else (more than it's creating, I mean). That said, our vehicles come with decent alternators so you never know... I suppose it's possible it could just be using "extra" energy. Now that I think of it, I think I might finally do the E-fan mod.

I'm not going to nay say seeing as none of us have tried it, but my gut tells me that potential flaws/drawbacks have not been put forth, numbers may have been exaggerated based on already inconsistent and uncontrolled testing, testimonials may have been based on placebo effects, and overall the product is probably too good to be true.

[Cailen]

Also I'm going to have to call a major bullsht on your year and a half claim:

At current gas prices, to pay this thing off in a year and a half you'd need to drive a Hummer (~10mpg) 50,000 miles. So basically you'd need to spend about 770 hours (about 2 hours a day) at freeway speeds, every day just to cover the mileage. Do you drive a hummer ~135 miles a day?

Time to leave la la land for reality bud.

[y2kblazer]

475.1 months for me HA HA HA

[MrNelson]

Back from la, la land, Tell these guys they are wasting their time on hydrogen fuel...I think the oil empires have you by the balls.

Open your eyes fools.

Start here http://www.emagazine.com/view/?171
There are also many groups about hydrogen fuel - just search for them.

http://hy-drive.com/main/default.asp

http://www.burnh20.com/

http://www.chechfi.com/

http://www.gogreenfuel.com/