New to the GTO Forum, 56k beware

[nineball481]

OK, so I have been wanting to do a 6.0L conversion on my truck and other various engine upgrades ect... Well, that is getting ready to take a back seat to my new toy (and more appropriate for performance upgrades) a 2005 GTO. My very own Goat!

Anyway here are some pics:








I got an absolutely amazing deal on the car. Sticker=$34,000 RedTag=$31,000 GMS=$28,000 Demo=$27,000 (must have 7,500miles to qualify)

My price $26,500 plus tax with 1,500miles used.

Now, I have no plans to start neglecting my first bought, but I am going to have to go a different way than originally planned. Thanks for looking, and maybe I'll see you on the strip

I think this looks better then the AussiChevy GTO.

Seems that GTO is plastered all over the car, but I think even if they melted it down and made a real GTO out of it the feeling would still seem importish to it.

Good luck with your car, hope that you don't have to pay too much for getting parts from over seas.

I would ask for a drag race at Norwalk, but they wont let chevys or imports run. What state you in, maybe we can set up a race?

[nineball481]

Maybe not at Norwalk, but they'll let me in to super chevy. I'm in Indiana.

I have a few Chevy guys that think along the same lines as you, i'm sad that they get blinded by HP numbers and don't see the true intent of the car.

To me able to look back at history and see the whole PMD idea lay out year after year, and do so well that other sister companys cry unfair and sweep great ideas and better parts out the door or worse take the idea and keep it for it's self.

Pontiac has had the best looking cars in any class, American thought up and built, at the top the beloved Pontiac GTO King of cars, for the rich and poor.

Now the beloved car lives as a 3M sticker on a Chevy Powered Import.

Enjoy your car.

P.S. If you find yourself on the east coast and feel as if you want a fair drag race email me, I don't race other Pontiacs but I do race Chevy powered Pontiacs and in your case Imports.

If I loose I buy the Pizza and drinks, and the wings also, hows that sound?

[MrPbody]

There were no less than 30 '04 and '05 GTOs at Norwalk in August last year, for the "TriPower Nationals". The slowest one was an '04 automatic, 300 lb. driver, went 14.0s. The quickest "street" car went 10.30s (200 "hit" of nitrous). The "fastest LSx in the world" (their words, not mine) was there, too. It was an '05 GTO body, twin-turbo LS6 on alcohol. 7.19 @ 197 MPH.

FWIW, Pontiac-powered cars are now welcome at all SuperChevy shows, as well. The only rules aimed at the Chevy-powered Pontiacs of the early '80s-mid'90s (at the Pontiac races) are that the engines are unmodified. No restrictions on LSx.

Your new GTO is most welcome among the Pontiac racers. Since the initial wave of malcontents, GTO is gaining in acceptance and popularity. Considering it has no peer, it's the performance buy of the new millenium... Not to mention they thought enough of it to make it the current reigning ProStock champ of NHRA!

RamAir72 has made it his mission to attempt to discredit the car. Don't let it bother you. He speaks for a few, but not the whole Pontiac "world".

Jim

[nineball481]

Originally Posted by MrPbody

RamAir72 has made it his mission to attempt to discredit the car. Don't let it bother you. He speaks for a few, but not the whole Pontiac "world".

Jim

Thanks MrP, Ramair dosen't bother me at all. He has his own view and I know, I or anyone else will not change it. I bought the car for the powertrain, performance, styling, and price (In that order). Which oddly enough is what Ramair considers a car, paraphrasing "engine first- body second.....engine=brain, body=skin" Ramair has a PMD brain, which is absolutely fine, I have a Chevy brain, also fine. That makes us cousins Ram! If I am to be the black sheep in the family, then all the better. They lead the most interesting lives and have the most fun!

And yes, Ramair, If I find myself on the east coast, I'll be more than happy to line up with you. Win or lose, I like drinks/pizza/wings/ conversation.

A thought...If this is really a problem on this forum, maybe the admins could seperate the classic from the new (create a sub-forum) as they did with the silverados.

Jake

[nineball481]

MrP is correct about Norwalk, I just confirmed it.

Checkout the link:
http://www.pontiacnationals.com/car_show_classes.html

It's about halfway down under the GTO/Judge heading.

Jake

I have been at Norwalk and I know they do run chevys but not as the main event of the day, and that event does not have chevys, and the event has all years cars also, even True Pontiac powered 90's cars.

You will not see chevys running Pontiacs untill the end of the day, after all the real Pontiacs have run, it's kinda like Pontiac does it's thing and then a free for all.

I may have missed that they even had chevy classes last time dew to "lack of chevy Pontiacs".

The talk that around town is that the import chevy is getting heat for running at Norwalk because it has no "import" class.

If you wish I can post here the adds for Norwalk, you can see the black print that says "Traditional Pontiac engines Only".

I will accept the chevy vs Pontiac from you, you speek right from the base of my argument, as Chevy and Pontiac in the GM family allways are fighting, Chevy just...well , they won.

I wonder if Pontiac engines didnt take more molds to make, and had a truck it could have still been around.

I would not be so quick to take sides here, with some people here, I know of SOMEBODY who says hes all about Pontiac but was dead set that my GTO was a Lemans (proof can be shown) I don't put to much stock on a groupie that doesnt know the records, you don't have to know all the songs, but man you have to know the albums, like if we were talking about Pontiacs, you would have to know what a 71 or 72 GTO loks like.

Also This SOMEBODY go so upset about this car he or she got so upset that this person reported me as a problem maker.

I do hate what GM did to Pontiac but I don't want them to go under, America has the best workers and the best stuff ever made.

I don't even like fake cap screws on rims or fake intakes and or vents on cars, fake braded steel and such, It has to be real and not be made out to be something it's not.

By the way Mr P I called Nunzies the week before X mas and was kinda shocked to hear about some of the people who got their shops in the back of that Pontiac engine Book. A KRE didnt want to talk about it to much, seems that favors and money had gone to far.

I guess with a shrinking mass of allready kinda small Pontiac group people start to act stupid.

By the way I allways offer real world answeres to questions, i may put a litle pun into it, but I go by the rules, as i'm still poasting here so don't let some people make me out to be somthing i'm not, just true Blue Pontiac

[Chad82]

Nice looking ride and great deal. If I was 4" shorter I would be posting pics of my own blue GTO right now. Hope she treats you right and maybe in a few years I will join you!

Originally Posted by Chad82

Nice looking ride and great deal. If I was 4" shorter I would be posting pics of my own blue GTO right now. Hope she treats you right and maybe in a few years I will join you!

Are you planning to shrink in the next few years?

I do know what hes talking about, being 6'4" kinda sucks trying to get into cars, should have seen me in a o6 2 seater Mazda, for seeing I didn't need the windshield.

You would think with people being taller then in the past, that cars would reflect this. Even my 02 Grand Limited seat is all the way back and tilted.

[MrPbody]

I'm not sure what you're refering to when you talk about money and the shops in the "book". Jim Hand chose ther people himself. Money had nothing to do with it. Nunzi was invited to provide information and declined. Same with the the other "old school" Pontiac shops (Jim Taylor, Bill Cirelli, etc.).
Currently, KRE has the reigning "top" Pontiac (won the Butler Frantic 4 at Norwalk). JBP has the quickest Pontiac in history (John Welter, 6.82 @ 204, Pontiacs in the Park, '05). BOP Engineering makes some of the best Pontiac-specific race parts out there. The others also have certain "claims to fame" in niche markets. At CVMS, we build good short blocks (cranks live while other "guru's" stuff is droppng like flies all around us). Jim Hand liked my approach to durability and my "delivery" (the way I write). That was the rationale behind my being chosen to write the chapter on short blocks.

While you continually bombard people with your "AussieChevyGTO" comments, you read into what others say in an attempt to discredit them. In the process, you have shown you know little or nothing about engines, LSx in particular. You also take exception to the fact that I poiinted out your car is a LeMans with the "GTO option". Does the VIN start with "242" or "236/7"? 242 = GTO. This is not an opinion. According to Jim Wangers AND PHS, '71 was the last year GTO was a true "model", and after that was an option on LeMans, as it was in '65.

If you're going to continue your allusions to improprieties, I'll take the gloves off, buddy! I run a shop every day. I build more engines in a month than most people build in a lifetime. I said it before: If you wanna run wtith the big dogs, GET OFF THE PORCH! Let's see that Pontiac at the track running some 11s! Otherwise, just back off and get a life.

Jim

If you have something specific to say about it, SAY IT! Don't beat around the bush.

The one thing I like about you mr P is that you so good at writeing like I have done something

"you read into what others say in an attempt to discredit them"

Coppy and past some stuff I wrote here for me to see what you think is going on in your head.

As for the Book, it seems YOU have something to worry about, I never named names here but you seem you have to defend yourself, how is that my falt? I was tossing out something I head and you blow a head gasket, I guess it is true then, but I didnt know names, but I guess I do now.

Nunz, has allways been good to me, allways sold me stuff I needed and nothing I did not need, hes even layed out a build list so that I did not get miss matched parts, hes even sent me to other known people like KRE, I was kinda shocked not to see him in the book since he was/is "The guy to goto".

On top of it all now your lieing about my GTO, you did say it was a Lemas and then you said you were trying to get a rise out of me when I proffed my pudding, don't even try to lie or I will go back and cooy and past it in here!

You dont run this Fourm "P", you may not like what I say, but I keep it in the guide lines, and you seem kinda pissie about what I write, if you were not trying to get me booted you sholuld not be upset about what I write?!?! Right Mr. P, seems again you show everybody your hidden cards!

You try to dazzle people by rattleing off names and ET times and such, but anybody with a head on his or her shoulders sees this as pillow fluff, and it makes you want to sleep when you read it! Don't be so quick to credit youself, as I said before you in all your years, all your claimed Pontiac know how, did not know what a 72 GTO looked like.Just answer peopels questions, don't give them the whole "I know things outside your question, so my answer must mean more" crap.

You right I don't know alot about the new Gen of SBC's and I have limited engine building skills, but I can build engines, make no mistake, and i'm better then amature behind the wheel, and if anybody outside of sanctioned raceing says any better they are liers.

If anybody reads this take a look at all the poasts made by me and Mr.P you will see that I may give a little kick about questions about the Fake GTO, but I answer questions asked about the ChevyAussi GTO to the best of my know how.

Your comments to me are unfounded, and like AP news your slight unfounded jabs only make me look bad to people who just sit down to read without knowing the facts.

Then to top it off you want to drag race me? Like I have been talking crap about how fast my car is LOL, and i'm sure you have more of a pocket book and resources to race me "Right Now", but you better watch how far you push, if you win a race, no big deal you have a machine shop, however if I beat you, it will take alot of time to let that fade away, and make no mistake I wil have the film on my webpage. From what I can tell about your shop you leave Forced induction at the door, and thats the ticket not "a" ticket the ticket to win. And with anybody with an IA block it building one does not take a "Pontiac" builder, skills in Chevy and Ford are fine.

By the way i'm talking to somebody at Norwalk about haveing no IMPORT class for the fake GTO, it seems I know a guy who has a Factory Aussi Pontiac powered by a Chevy and he was not allowed to run at Norwalk Pontiac nats, and if the imported AussiGTO can run, then he should be allowed to run, but I'm pushing for a import class, so the AussiChevy GTO can be seen for what it is!

I just show my point of view, the ChevyAussi GTO put american jobs and ideas out of American hands, does an American Legend do that?

My view is "If you support this car, you don't support America"

This Fake GTO is not a Pontiac, it is not American and it's not a GTO in the eyes of Deloren and the true Blue Pontiac people.
I have been at the Q and A with Deloren and Yenko, and Deloren said it was a nice car, but allways skated it being true blood Pontiac GTO. I tend to go with the daddy of the GTO rather then Chevy lover Pontiac machine shops, of corse I'm not talking about YOUR MACHINE SHOP mr P, got that i'm not saying YOUR MACHINE SHOP.

Answer me this question, "Why don't you put me on ignore?", if you do that you will not see me in this Fourm, and if you relly read you seem to be butting into what I say to people rather then my talking to you, how is that Mr P? How do you keep comming into what i'm saying and push? You don't have to! Put me on ignore, i'm tired of your insults.

By the way my 72 GTO being an option has more to do with the First GTO so to me it means more to have a 72 GTO

Have a great day!

[Chad82]

Originally Posted by ramairgto72

Are you planning to shrink in the next few years?

I do know what hes talking about, being 6'4" kinda sucks trying to get into cars, should have seen me in a o6 2 seater Mazda, for seeing I didn't need the windshield.

You would think with people being taller then in the past, that cars would reflect this. Even my 02 Grand Limited seat is all the way back and tilted.

Planning on looking into aftermarket seats at that time.

Originally Posted by Chad82

Planning on looking into aftermarket seats at that time.

I have looked a few companys for my GTO, if your above 6' it seems you fall short (no pun) on fitting into some cars correctly.

I have not found an adjustable seat thats NHRA accepted for 10 seconds and under.

I hate the stiff upper back of some of seats Summit and jegs have, the non adjustable ones, I feel like i'm falling forward, and when driveing for any long peirod my lower back starts to hurt.

If you know of any seats that are for raceing and adjustable I would love to know who they are.

Do you like leather, cloth or vinyl?

[Chad82]

Prefer in that order you listed (leather, cloth, vinyl).

I haven't looked into any seats yet. I don't know what all is out there.