Another switch for the wiper??

[ah sing]

Hi,

I have a problem with my windshield wiper on my 96GC just like lots of ppl on the board.
So i just thinking can i connect another switch (not the same style on the steering colume) to operate the wiper motor only?
Any one try this?

thanks.

[vipergg]

Originally Posted by ah sing

Hi,

I have a problem with my windshield wiper on my 96GC just like lots of ppl on the board.
So i just thinking can i connect another switch (not the same style on the steering colume) to operate the wiper motor only?
Any one try this?

thanks.

I myself wouldn't do it , you don't hook it up right you can end up frying the BCM and you'll really have problems . Just my 2 cents....

[ah sing]

oic...
my wiper only work when i press the wash button, so anyone slove this kind of problem successfully?
Heard from another post, and i have already took the motor out and clean the grease on cicular contact disc and the contact inside the motor, put it back and try, but no help.

any suggesstion? Thanks a lot.

[ah sing]

Originally Posted by vipergg

I myself wouldn't do it , you don't hook it up right you can end up frying the BCM and you'll really have problems . Just my 2 cents....

But if i don't care about the washer funtion, just leave the original wiper motor connector unpluged, then put another switch to turn it on/off. The worse case is the wiper motor damage, won't hurt the BCM, right?

Thanks alot.

[1thunder]

the wire from the junction box to the pdc {fuse box} under hood is broken remove the wheel well on the left side and open harness especially check at the front bracket harness sits on top and rubs through after a while

[zachr101]

Originally Posted by ah sing

Hi,

I have a problem with my windshield wiper on my 96GC just like lots of ppl on the board.
So i just thinking can i connect another switch (not the same style on the steering colume) to operate the wiper motor only?
Any one try this?

thanks.

My wipers stoped working on 96 voyager. Take out the relay in the fuse box (beside the battery), controling the wipers ON/OFF function and slide the black cover off the relay. Now you can see clearly contacts and the coil of the relay. See if the contacts are not burned. Plug the relay back in, stripped of the cover and try to push manualy the relay to click-on position. If the wiper goes, you have the same problem as I do - no ground to relay. Additionaly, my head lights do not work and if I do the same with its' relay, lights start working. To have the wipers work for emergency use, you must bring (by some tiny wire squeezed in with the relay into the socket) artificial ground to the left solenoids' contact and switch it on or off by switch, to make the relay click on. With relay unplugged, I have +12V on the right contact of the solenoid of the relay and on the upper contact of the relays contacts. The left one, if grounded, clicks the relay on and the wiper goes. That's what I did. Disadvantage is, that the wipers will not stop automaticaly at the low position. At least you can wipe your windshield and you have verified, that your wipers motor is not deffective. Now I have to find, where this stupid problem originates. I gues, the whole inside system (combination switch on steering column and the lights ON switch has somewhere opened ground and the relays do not click due to this problem. I do not know, where the grounding post or wire is and am looking for it. I was told the combination switch on the stearing column was deffective, so I opened it and carefuly checked it inside (delicate operation) and found one of the printed circuits opened. I fixed it by resoldering it and now I am looking for the grounding problem, affecting my lights and the wipers. It seems to point to the same troublespot. My phone to discuss it: 514-737-9220.

[ah sing]

Originally Posted by zachr101

My wipers stoped working on 96 voyager. Take out the relay in the fuse box (beside the battery), controling the wipers ON/OFF function and slide the black cover off the relay. Now you can see clearly contacts and the coil of the relay. See if the contacts are not burned. Plug the relay back in, stripped of the cover and try to push manualy the relay to click-on position. If the wiper goes, you have the same problem as I do - no ground to relay. Additionaly, my head lights do not work and if I do the same with its' relay, lights start working. To have the wipers work for emergency use, you must bring (by some tiny wire squeezed in with the relay into the socket) artificial ground to the left solenoids' contact and switch it on or off by switch, to make the relay click on. With relay unplugged, I have +12V on the right contact of the solenoid of the relay and on the upper contact of the relays contacts. The left one, if grounded, clicks the relay on and the wiper goes. That's what I did. Disadvantage is, that the wipers will not stop automaticaly at the low position. At least you can wipe your windshield and you have verified, that your wipers motor is not deffective. Now I have to find, where this stupid problem originates. I gues, the whole inside system (combination switch on steering column and the lights ON switch has somewhere opened ground and the relays do not click due to this problem. I do not know, where the grounding post or wire is and am looking for it. I was told the combination switch on the stearing column was deffective, so I opened it and carefuly checked it inside (delicate operation) and found one of the printed circuits opened. I fixed it by resoldering it and now I am looking for the grounding problem, affecting my lights and the wipers. It seems to point to the same troublespot. My phone to discuss it: 514-737-9220.

zachr101,
thanks for the reply. i'll try your method to check the relay and see..

[Stevo2]

Windshield Wipers - Don't Park or Wipe on INTERMITTENT

NO: 08-15-97 Rev. A

GROUP: Electrical

DATE: Jun. 13, 1997

SUBJECT:

Windshield Wipers Do Not
Park Properly and/or Wipe In
The Intermittent Mode Properly

THIS BULLETIN SUPERSEDES TECHNICAL SERVICE BULLETIN 08-15-97, DATED APRIL 4, 1997, WHICH SHOULD BE REMOVED FROM YOUR FILES. A LABOR OPERATION NO. WAS REVISED AND IS HIGHLIGHTED WITH **ASTERISKS**.

MODELS:

1996 - 1997 (NS) Town & Country/Caravan/Voyager
1996 - 1997 (GS) Chrysler Voyager (International Market)

SYMPTOM/CONDITION:

Windshield wipers stop immediately (instead of parking fully down) when the wiper switch is turned "OFF" or continue to wipe for approximately 10 seconds and then stop wherever they are (instead of parking fully down) after being turned "OFF" with either the windshield wiper switch or the ignition switch.

In the intermittent mode, windshield wipers do not pause, or pause after more than one wipe cycle.

Windshield wipers continue to wipe for more than one cycle when turned "OFF" before parking in the correct position.

DIAGNOSIS:

1. With a DRB III (Scan Tool) monitor the wiper park switch input to the Body Control Module (BCM) when the windshield wipers are on. If the wiper park switch input status does not change as the wipers are moving, the park switch circuit is faulty.

2. Check for continuity between pin # 41 of the B58 BCM connector and pin # 4 of the wiper module B31 connector, refer to the illustration.

3. Check for continuity between pin # 7 of the B31 wiper module connector and ground.

4. If a problem is found in steps 1 thru 3, perform the Repair Procedure.


PARTS REQUIRED:

AR(1) 04673013AA Motor, Wiper

REPAIR PROCEDURE:

This bulletin involves either repairing an open in the windshield wiper park circuit wiring or replacing the wiper motor.

1. If there is no continuity between pin # 41 of the B58 BCM connector and pin # 4 of the wiper module B31 wiring connector, locate the open in the circuit and repair it.

2. If there is no continuity between pin # 7 of the B31 wiper module wiring connector and ground, locate the open circuit and repair it.

3. If there is continuity between pin # 41 of the B58 BCM connector and pin # 4 of the B31 wiper module wiring connector and there is continuity between pin # 7 of the B31 wiper module wiring connector and ground, replace the wiper motor using the procedure outlined on page 8K-6 of the 1997 Town & Country, Caravan and Voyager Service Manual (Publication No. 81-370-7105).


POLICY: Reimbursable within the provisions of the warranty.

TIME ALLOWANCE:

Labor Operation No:
08-52-80-91 Replace Wiper Motor 0.9 Hrs.
**08-94-WD-00** Repair Wiring A/T

FAILURE CODE: P8 - New Part
18 - Open Circuit

[zachr101]

Thanks Stevo2 for your reply. It's a lot to do, but I will do my best. Thanks again, I appreciate your time. Jan

[Stevo2]

Originally Posted by zachr101

Thanks Stevo2 for your reply. It's a lot to do, but I will do my best. Thanks again, I appreciate your time. Jan

You don't have the scan tool but you can work around that section if you can use a meter.

[zachr101]

Thanks Stevo2. No, the tool I do not have you 're right, but meter will be used. I am retired electrical engineer so meter I can handle well. You see, my problem started by dead front wipers. Motor is ok and I discovered, that wiper relais does not get ground from multifunction switch and so it does not clik on. I opened the switch and repaired main + contact, which was opened. However, the problem is still there. So I brought artificial ground to the relais and by switch and 2 wires I am able at least to wipe my windshield. While checking the relais, another bad news: my headlights (low and high beam) do not work either. The same problem - ground absent on the negative terminals of relais' solenoids. If I bring the ground, lights go on. That is, why i suspect open common ground wire somewhere or inside, or arround the main fuse terminal. I am in Canada and it is cold here, my van is in the driveway and so before the spring comes, I do not feel like to work on it and I am collecting informations from nice guys like you. Meanwhile, numbers of my inside bypass - switches is increasing and soon I will have to label them to know which one operates what (just kidding). Listen, I realy thank you for your imput. I do appreciate it. Thanks Jan.

[RIP]

Sorry to bump this thread back to the top. I have a 96GC. The wipers will come on by themselves without turning them on. I just pull the fuse June through November (we get zero rain in the Mojave desert then) and live with it the rest of the time. Dealer changed the column switch under warranty. It lasted about a year. ANOTHER common Crystler Corp problem.

[Stevo2]

Originally Posted by zachr101

Thanks Stevo2. No, the tool I do not have you 're right, but meter will be used. I am retired electrical engineer so meter I can handle well. You see, my problem started by dead front wipers. Motor is ok and I discovered, that wiper relais does not get ground from multifunction switch and so it does not clik on. I opened the switch and repaired main + contact, which was opened. However, the problem is still there. So I brought artificial ground to the relais and by switch and 2 wires I am able at least to wipe my windshield. While checking the relais, another bad news: my headlights (low and high beam) do not work either. The same problem - ground absent on the negative terminals of relais' solenoids. If I bring the ground, lights go on. That is, why i suspect open common ground wire somewhere or inside, or arround the main fuse terminal. I am in Canada and it is cold here, my van is in the driveway and so before the spring comes, I do not feel like to work on it and I am collecting informations from nice guys like you. Meanwhile, numbers of my inside bypass - switches is increasing and soon I will have to label them to know which one operates what (just kidding). Listen, I realy thank you for your imput. I do appreciate it. Thanks Jan.

You know, I visit so many sites I can't always remember what's what. But I think you have hit the problem on the head, a common ground point. Some of the sites say there are problems with the wiring under the PDC or Power Distribution Center, as in corrosion or Ma Mopar's usual bogus wiring. If I can find a common ground splice location for you I will post it.

[HeadlessHorseman]

Originally Posted by RIP

Sorry to bump this thread back to the top. I have a 96GC. The wipers will come on by themselves without turning them on. I just pull the fuse June through November (we get zero rain in the Mojave desert then) and live with it the rest of the time. Dealer changed the column switch under warranty. It lasted about a year. ANOTHER common Crystler Corp problem.

Same problem here... for no reason at all, once every month or so, my wipers go on. Sometimes they go off on their own after a swipe or two, sometimes I have to put the wiper switch on and then off to turn them off. Occasionally, though much less frequently, the rear wiper will do the same thing. I've always wondered what caused this, but never tried to fix it because it just didn't seem important enough to bother with.

[JacketRG]

I've been reading through all of the posts regarding problems with 96 GC front wipers.

Through several diagnostics that I had made on my own, I had traced my particular problem back to the BCM (Body Control Module). I checked everything with meter using continuity checks, voltage measurements, and signals (12vdc) manually injected. My wipers work fine when depressing the "wash". I've concluded that it isn't the motor, the relays, fuses or the wiper switch.

I found a post here somewhere where a gentleman had the absolute EXACT symptons I'm having and he solved his problem by relplacing his BCM from a used auto parts place (scary, but his worked).

Anyway, that's where I 'm at now. Any further experiences or info would be appreciated.

JacketRG in GA.