racing fuel

[97cavalier]

Where do i get racing fuel at? Do they sell it at the tracks? If you guys use it where do you get it?

[djcrypt]

depends where you live. i live in aus and i know of a couple of places.

[TcmaBoy]

For my old VW bug I would just go down to the local airport and get 120 AV gas. Newer engines don't like leaded fuel. It will damage your sensors. 100 is available at some Sonoco statoins. You can find locations here:

http://www.racegas.com/

You can also order race fuel here:
http://www.vpracingfuels.com/index2....B7C8A263B55CCF


You need to check your local laws to see if MTBE fuels are legal in your state.

Does this mean you are going to put your car in a shop? Don't go playing with race fuel unless you have a dyno to retune the car to run on it. Its not like you can just put it in your tank and magically get more power. If you are not set up to run on race gas then your motor will run like crap. If you don't have the right equipment to tune with you will turn your motor into a grenade.

[97cavalier]

Originally Posted by TcmaBoy

For my old VW bug I would just go down to the local airport and get 120 AV gas. Newer engines don't like leaded fuel. It will damage your sensors. 100 is available at some Sonoco statoins. You can find locations here:

http://www.racegas.com/

You can also order race fuel here:
http://www.vpracingfuels.com/index2....B7C8A263B55CCF


You need to check your local laws to see if MTBE fuels are legal in your state.

Does this mean you are going to put your car in a shop? Don't go playing with race fuel unless you have a dyno to retune the car to run on it. Its not like you can just put it in your tank and magically get more power. If you are not set up to run on race gas then your motor will run like crap. If you don't have the right equipment to tune with you will turn your motor into a grenade.

I live in Columbia IL, it is right next to St.Louis MO.

[M3 Special]

Methanol race fuel will corrode your fuel lines. dont use it unless you really need it. you could pour a bunch of Jack Daniels in your gas tank, its almost pure Ethanol, with is a good automotive fuel.

[Yellow 13]

What about Nitromethane. I remember hearing of that being used in some race engines, and that it would mix with gas alright but eventually seperate out from sitting to long. I had a bottle for a remote control plane, but I never tried adding it to my tank.

[TcmaBoy]

There are different kinds of fuel. There is high octane leaded and unleaded gas, mehtanol blends, ethenol blends, and nitromethane. Some are oxygenated some are not. Most are not legal for street use. A few of the 100 and 105 unleaded blends are.

These fuels would only be used in high boost (20+ PSI) or high CR (11:1+) applications. Its not something to be played arround with. Unless you are running in some serious competition then it is best to leave them alone.

[M3 Special]

nitromethane has to be injected in the engine in huge amounts at a time, its not as viable as Ethanol or Methanol because its so expencive and it gets used up really fast. its something like 25$ per gallon, where as Methanol race fuel is about 6-7$ (give or take)per gallon, depending on where you get it and how high the octane is. not to mention nitromethane is super volitile. each fuel has some really good advantages, but over-all i would say a Ethanol blend is the best you can get. it can be put out by water, just like Ethanol, but it doesnt burn clear and it doesnt corrode fuel lines.


as for getting the stuff, it is a strong possiblility of getting the fuel at the track, it would make the owner alot of money. check your local drag strip and road course to see if they sell it.

[TcmaBoy]

Originally Posted by M3 Special

nitromethane has to be injected in the engine in huge amounts at a time, its not as viable as Ethanol or Methanol because its so expencive and it gets used up really fast. its something like 25$ per gallon, where as Methanol race fuel is about 6-7$ (give or take)per gallon, depending on where you get it and how high the octane is. not to mention nitromethane is super volitile. each fuel has some really good advantages, but over-all i would say a Ethanol blend is the best you can get. it can be put out by water, just like Ethanol, but it doesnt burn clear and it doesnt corrode fuel lines.

Nitro is actually less volatile than gasoline. That is why dragsters use it. It will not detonate under the boost/high CR conditions in a drag motor. It is so hard to light they need high voltage high amperage coils to get it to go. The whole point of race gas is that it is less volatile the higher you go. Which means you can run high boost or high CR.

Methanol and Ethanol do not corrode fuel lines. They do not react with metals. However both of them will cause rubber to dry rot. If you run it you need to run as much hard line as possible. They will also rot the O rings around your fuel injectors. They will wash the oil off your cylinder walls leading to greater engine wear as well as an increased oil change interval.

Again I can't say this enough. Unless you are running very high boost, or high CR, leave the race fuel alone. Your engine will not be able to burn it. You will develop less power, not more.

[M3 Special]

Originally Posted by TcmaBoy

Nitro is actually less volatile than gasoline. That is why dragsters use it. It will not detonate under the boost/high CR conditions in a drag motor. It is so hard to light they need high voltage high amperage coils to get it to go. The whole point of race gas is that it is less volatile the higher you go. Which means you can run high boost or high CR.

Methanol and Ethanol do not corrode fuel lines. They do not react with metals. However both of them will cause rubber to dry rot. If you run it you need to run as much hard line as possible. They will also rot the O rings around your fuel injectors. They will wash the oil off your cylinder walls leading to greater engine wear as well as an increased oil change interval.

Again I can't say this enough. Unless you are running very high boost, or high CR, leave the race fuel alone. Your engine will not be able to burn it. You will develop less power, not more.

not true with Methanol. it may not react with metal, but it is poisonios to the human body, and like you said, will dry rot rubber. but Ethanol will not. and if you run Ethanol or methanol race gas, you will get more HP, because you can inject more fuel into the engine because all the race fuels contain their own oxygen, and dont require as much to burn completely.


as for the volitility of Nitromethane, i meant that it might turn your engine into a grenade if you use it.


i just found this out too, you could possibly use Ethanol as a antifreeze/coolant because its boiling point is something like 750 degrees C, and the metling point is -1150 C, or something around those numbers.

[97cavalier]

Originally Posted by M3 Special

not true with Methanol. it may not react with metal, but it is poisonios to the human body, and like you said, will dry rot rubber. but Ethanol will not. and if you run Ethanol or methanol race gas, you will get more HP, because you can inject more fuel into the engine because all the race fuels contain their own oxygen, and dont require as much to burn completely.


as for the volitility of Nitromethane, i meant that it might turn your engine into a grenade if you use it.


i just found this out too, you could possibly use Ethanol as a antifreeze/coolant because its boiling point is something like 750 degrees C, and the metling point is -1150 C, or something around those numbers.

What if i run a 93 in it and get a 7octang booster?

[M3 Special]

that works too.

[TcmaBoy]

That is the sensible solution for your car. Standard octane boosters will typically yield arround 94-96 octane when added to most premium fuels.


The real question is do you need it. If your engine is not knocking then you don't need higher octane fuel.

[97cavalier]

Originally Posted by TcmaBoy

That is the sensible solution for your car. Standard octane boosters will typically yield arround 94-96 octane when added to most premium fuels.


The real question is do you need it. If your engine is not knocking then you don't need higher octane fuel.

I was looking in my jegs mag and i saw nos octang booster there is 3 diffrent ones, a 3,5,and 7 boost.I am going to run premium, which i always have, and use the 7. That should do it.

[97cavalier]

Originally Posted by 97cavalier

I was looking in my jegs mag and i saw nos octang booster there is 3 diffrent ones, a 3,5,and 7 boost.I am going to run premium, which i always have, and use the 7. That should do it.

It says the race one that adds 7 points contains nitromethane, will this hurt my car any?