06 GTO Love it or Hate it?

I hate the fake car but hate to see GM go under, it just seems strange for them to be haveing problems with all the deep roots they have.

THIS IS A REAL GTO

THIS IS A FAKE GTO


I don't know about you people but the real GTO looks like it's going 100 just sitting in park, the other one looks like a prototype 96 mustang.

All in all what car would you want to drive?

[Jaguar D-Type]

The new GTO looks WAY cleaner and more subtle than a mid 1990s Mustang.

That (1972?) GTO doesn't look like it is going 40 mph. I like the styling of the 1970 GTO a lot more.



I think the Solstice looks like it is going 100 mph and I'd guess that some of the 15,000 people who have orders for would agree.



Also, the new GTO wasn't meant to replace the Firebird as the new GTO is a lot more refined and modern than the 2002 Firebird. As I have said before, GM has revived rwd plans.

GM reverses course, says revised version of Zeta rear-drive architecture is back on track

Automotive News

9/12/05

DETROIT - Six months after General Motors halted plans to use its Zeta rear-wheel-drive car architecture in North America, the company has revived the program.

In an interview with Automotive News last week, Jim Queen, GM's vice president of global engineering, said a revised version of Zeta is back on track.

Engineered at GM's Holden subsidiary in Australia, Zeta was expected to be the basis of the next-generation Pontiac Grand Prix and GTO; the Chevrolet Impala, Monte Carlo and a new version of the Camaro; and other vehicles. Vehicles in the program were expected to debut as early as 2006.

Queen did not discuss vehicles on the new version of Zeta or timing. Some vehicles that could be in the Zeta program include the next-generation Pontiac GTO as well as a Chevrolet coupe and sedans. They could debut by the 2009 or 2010 model year, say one company source and one industry analyst.

Queen said initial plans for Zeta stretched the architecture beyond its limits for some North American vehicles. "We needed to reassess and reconfigure the program," he said.

"As we started counting who was in and who was out of Zeta, we realized too late" that Zeta would not work in North America, Queen said.

Part of GM's reasoning in slowing Zeta's development was to focus on pulling forward its full-sized SUVs and pickups. GM's next-generation SUVs will debut early next year.

At the time, GM Vice Chairman Robert Lutz wrote on GM's FastLane blog that GM had "canceled & plans to build rear-wheel-drive vehicles off the Zeta architecture."

"But that does not mean we've canceled plans to build rear-drive vehicles altogether," Lutz wrote. "We are simply reallocating resources (human and financial) to pull some other programs ahead and get other vehicles to market sooner."

The revised Zeta program is being developed in GM's Australian engineering center. The vehicle line executive on the program is Gene Stefanyshyn, the former vehicle line executive for GM's Epsilon, or mid-sized cars, in North America.

A GM spokesman said no product plans have been approved and that GM still is studying design themes, performance characteristics and variants for Zeta vehicles.

GM uses the term "architecture" to signify a common set of components, performance characteristics, a common manufacturing process, a range of dimensions and connecting points for key component systems.

[Jaguar D-Type]

As for the GTO being slow, Car & Driver tested one in their January 2005 issue.

0-60 in 4.8 seconds

0-100 in 11.7

0-130 in 19.6 second

1/4 mile in 13.3 at 107 mph

Top speed of 158 (governor limited)

roadholding, 300-foot skidpad .88 g

Seems that just about every mag has a different ET for the fake GTO, so without a test on a non Air/ power optioned out fake GTO who knows what ET it dose. Can you even get that fake car without AC?

I do like the looks of the 70 and it may even be my next project after my M14 half track, the 70 is the same as the 71 and 72 , however the front ends are different, I can put my 72 front on a 70 and a 70 on my 72, however I love the deep intakes on the top and front of the car, and the sweet working air extractors on my 72.


Besides the 70 looks alot like a Firebird. Why a ? on the 72 GTO?


Sure the 2 seater looks nice but I can't help to be haunted by the sbc under the hood, Pontiac makes the best looking cars on Earth, it's just a shame that Pontiac never got to use it's own engines to power what it makes. Set back and think how cool it would be to see a 389 DOHC TPI, CNP engine spanking Chevys Gen 4 around the track... (homer)MMMMMMM KILLLL CHHHHEVVVVYYY....
I was making no stab at the firebird replacement, it was just on that picture that had the GTO up side down, kinda like an American Flag upside down, or I just felt the jester of it.


Check out the super rare duck bill wing, this car is way more "sporty" in my eyes then the "1970 have to put more to look at" on the car.

Don't get me wrong the 70 is great, but it's 1969 van moon bubble window look makes it look about 3,000 more pounds then it is, but I still would like one. Truth, I think I would get a 67 before a 70, I know the 70-72 A body, I know the 66-67 is not much different, but i'm in love with the stacked headlights with eyebrows.
Because my GTO was a basket case I was in my right to cut her up a little, and in fact most of my 72 is Sport Lemas, only the frame and body shell fenders, front and rear valance most glass and one door are 72 GTO.

I would find a beat up 67 GTO thats not ever going to be 100% again to do my next car, as i'm all about making it fast then sending away for the repo ignition instructioafty and speedns that fit over the lock.
I would also like to find a nice Bon conv like a 66 or 67 to take trips on.

[ITSME4G63]

I love the new generatiopn gto's. I know they really arent gto's but rebadged holdens which popntiac just happen to call gto. This car was never intended to be a gto. Yes I know all these baby boomers are upset that it doesnt look like a 30 year old car, But its a great car. My friend has an 04 and the first time I got a ride I was overwhelmed how great the car is. The brakes are awesome, even though they are not brand name liek brembo. The suspension on the car is top notch, taking a winding offramp at 70mph was no problem while the seatrs hug you to death, which is pretty "un-american". This is a performance car (even though it weights alot), not a cruiser. The interior is awesome for an american car, and so is the dash and so is everything else. The dashes with the knobs and switches tend to look to plain in american cars, like they are just there cause they have to be, but this is "un-american" I can say. I dont doubt that gm makes great cars, I love their gmc truck line. But in the past 10 years the interior of any foreign car would be the smack out of the same price range american car. The new gto can actually sit 4 people confrotably. We decided to take my friends 04 gto to great lakes dragaway to the rsd event on one saturday. and there was 4 of us in there confortably, 2 6'+'s and 2 5'6"-6' people and we fit in great. The stylign is not bad as well. Id say this, it took australians to make an american car right.

"popntiac" I like that, for some reason I like that...

Well I'm not sure what to write, fisrt off it's not just a bunch of babay boomers who don't like it being called a GTO, i'm 31 and I hate the car being named what it is, and for most my friends, even Chevy guys don't think it was the right way to do it, kinda think of it, everybody I know who know "engines" think this is a trumped up Lie in some way or another.

I don't know what to write to you about what you said, it may be because i'm tired but it looks like your saying "America got it right this time" at the same time saying yea it's a import? Did I read it wrong?

For years Chevy has put SBC's into Pontiac shells, however they never put a Chevy in what is Pontiac or Pontiac Motor Division's (PMD) gift to the world, "The first muscle car", but they did'nt stop at just doing that, GM got a Aussi born car and put a SBC in it and shipped it over to America with 3M Pontiac stickers and said "Look here world, we did it again, back from the dead the new GTO"!

What they did was piss on, what Pontiac's legend was.

It's not an "Old Man" problem, just about every mag that did a spot on this "bastard" noted the fact that it's imported and Chevy powered.

It's a Lie, and with some well placed funding for Pontiac events by GM it's getting pushed for sales.

For the true Pontiac Blue, it is a Fake.

Sure it's a quick car, and it may have nice seats, but is that all people are sold out on? The dam thing puts out American Jobs, is that an American Legend?

I'm not sayin your not allowed to like it, it's a free country, i'm just saying look at it for what it is, and then see what it is not, and thats a real GTO.

[Jaguar D-Type]

Originally Posted by ramairgto72

Sure the 2 seater looks nice but I can't help to be haunted by the sbc under the hood

The Solstice doesn't have an sbc. It has a GM 2.4 liter ecotech I-4 with 177 hp.

Your 1972 Pontiac looks better now that I've seen more pictures. I like the side vents. Are they functional?

Originally Posted by ITSME4G63

But in the past 10 years the interior of any foreign car would be the smack out of the same price range american car. Id say this, it took australians to make an american car right.

What about the interior of the Panoz Esperante GTLM? It is hand-built, has an aluminum chassis (with carbon fiber for 2006), and has a 420 hp 4.6 liter Ford SVT supercharged V-8.





How about the Cadillac XLR?



The hand-built Dodge Viper SRT10 doesn't have a luxurious interior, but...

"Accompanying this latest generation of the Viper is the opportunity to select various options to customize the car, including the stone-white stripes made famous by the Viper GTS combined with various exterior colors, two wheel styles (a five-spoke and an H-pattern), and interior leather color combinations."

- Car & Driver November 2005

"hand-built Dodge Viper SRT10"? Do they really hand build these? Do they build all Vipers by hand or just the "flag ships"?

The side air extractors work, they have 2 jobs, one is to help cool the engine, the 2nd is to bleed out all the air thats being pushed into the engine bay, if you take a look at 71 , it's grill is allmost flush with the endura, but the 72 and 70 were deep, the 72 however has bigger openings and with the lower intakes and the hood intakes the air would "float" the front end during high speed runs, the 71's intakes were flush and did not have the "Ram" or forward air pushing into the engine bay effect as much as the 72.






I was told that if you took a 1971 and a 1972 and ran them around the track till they got good and hot, that the 1972's fenders/hood are cooler then the 1971. I have never been able to test this however it makes good sense that it's true, as the air moves past the rear of the engine and out the vents. I polished mine http://www.geocities.com/ramairgto72...TURES/60s4.JPG , I have kinda a combo of years of parts on my car, and I have changed my mind about haveing my grills white, it was a good idea in my head, but it's not so cool in the picture, I also have the chrome crosses that go on top of the front trun signals but i'm not sure if I should put them on (i'm all about keeping weight off the car).

On top of all that I have to replace the deck lid, i'm going with carbonfiber/glass with the wing, but at the same time I'm going to put the ultra light (6lbs vs 160+lbs) glass/carbon endura replacement, I don't know if I'm going to put the grills back in, what do you think?

I guess I like the 72 over the other years because it's more of a function car, no fake scoops or vents, and it's allmost a ricer look factory car from 72, it has the wings and vents that work, it has what grabs your eye when you seen some dorked import with fake glass, but PMD did it right, and no other car of that year made my the big 3 has this kinda "ready""fast" look to it, even the mustangs had fake vents that can even been seen today on the new one.

[ITSME4G63]

Look Im not trying to knock on you all in any way, but I think its a solid car. Ofcourse it never was meant and developed to be a gto, I think I mentioned that in my frist thread. I just think its a really nice car, I know it has upset alot of chevy fans, but hey, alot of companies have been doing that lately. What ever happened to the ford escort cosworth ford has promised? Why do the wrx sti get a crummy 2.5 in the states while the rest of the world gets potent 2.0? And if gm does advertise it liek it was meant to be a gto, then I agree its just a marketing plot, btu I dont know why you would knock on this car and try to compare it to the old gto if you know that it was never meant to be one.

[ITSME4G63]

I would like to add that the panzo road car is not really a massed produced car, so you cant compare a car that ha a production of maybe 50 a year and is delicately detailed to a full scale production car. From the side, the panoz does look like a fd rx7 dont you think, look a the doors, they look very similar. And the car interiors you listed are on cars which are way over 50k, Im talkin build wualities on cars at max of 30k maybe.

I ment to tell you Jag that what I was talking about is the plan for the Gen 4 in the Solstice, yep thats right.

[Jaguar D-Type]

Originally Posted by ramairgto72

"hand-built Dodge Viper SRT10"? Do they really hand build these? Do they build all Vipers by hand or just the "flag ships"?

even the mustangs had fake vents that can even been seen today on the new one.

I'm pretty sure all Vipers have been hand-built. I'm not sure about the Competition Coupe which is a race car.

check the link which is a press release

"The Dodge Viper SRT10 is hand-built at the Conner Avenue Assembly Plant in Detroit."

http://www.seriouswheels.com/top-200...RT10-Coupe.htm

What vents are fake on the new Mustang?

[Jaguar D-Type]

Originally Posted by ramairgto72

I ment to tell you Jag that what I was talking about is the plan for the Gen 4 in the Solstice, yep thats right.

Huh? I'm not quite sure what you mean...

Originally Posted by ITSME4G63

Im talkin build wualities on cars at max of 30k maybe.

How about the new Mustang's interior?

Originally Posted by Jaguar D-Type

Huh? I'm not quite sure what you mean...



How about the new Mustang's interior?

I go to the Jeep dealer from time to time, and next door is a ford dealer, and they have rows and rows of the new mustang, Ihave been meaning to test drive one, but it seems i'm in my BDU pants and T shirt when I think about it, and to me no dealer would think of me as a true buyer, I know base mustangs are working man class, but I want to dive a fast one. Driving a slow one is like going to drive a GTO and getting in a LeMans or Tempest with a chevy 6.

That picture makes the back seat look like a "show no go" option.

The Solaris has been running around GM's test track with the Chevy Mark 4 SB under the hood, it may be an option.

Do you think you will be able to hear the radio this time in the 06 Dodge Viper SRT10 Coupe?

Nice 500 hp 525 foot pounds, this HP is well over the ImportAussiGTOs 400hp.

[Jaguar D-Type]

The Pontiac Solstice won't have a 400 hp LS2 available from the factory. It will be available with either a supercharged or turbocharged (but not both) I-4 for the 2007 model year likely as the GXP model.

Reviews of the new Viper Coupe say it is more refined than any previous Viper. The 2006 Viper's 8.3 liter V-10 is now rated at 510 hp and 535 lb-ft of torque. It uses the SAE's (Society of Automotive Engineers) new hp and torque ratings.

The 2003-2005 Viper SRT10 had 500 hp and 525 lb-ft of torque.