small pins in oil pan

[silveradowhite]

Does anyone out there know about small pin bearing like items that I found in my oil pan when draining the oil? They are 1/4" long and 1/16" in diameter, and I found 5 of them attached to my drain plug when I removed it from the pan. Any idea where they would be from in the engine. 2001 z71 5.3L

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[Rammer500]

Originally Posted by silveradowhite

Does anyone out there know about small pin bearing like items that I found in my oil pan when draining the oil? They are 1/4" long and 1/16" in diameter, and I found 5 of them attached to my drain plug when I removed it from the pan. Any idea where they would be from in the engine. 2001 z71 5.3L

Thanks

Those might be bearings form the roller rocker arms. There's a TSB about that.

[silveradowhite]

Originally Posted by Rammer500

Those might be bearings form the roller rocker arms. There's a TSB about that.

Thanks, you are correct. I found out today that this indeed the problem. Apparantly GM has known about this for a while and they stock hundreds of the rocker arms at the dealerships due to this problem. $1000 later and I will have them replaced. Just another built in failure by our good friends at GM. My next truck will be a Toyota.

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[GMMerlin]

Originally Posted by silveradowhite

Thanks, you are correct. I found out today that this indeed the problem. Apparantly GM has known about this for a while and they stock hundreds of the rocker arms at the dealerships due to this problem. $1000 later and I will have them replaced. Just another built in failure by our good friends at GM. My next truck will be a Toyota.

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WOW they do!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Guess no one told my parts department.
There was a bulletin that came out in 2002 about the issue and the bulletin recommends that all rockers be replaced if one fails.
Personally I've only seen 2 vehicles with rocker failures.

[JParrott]

Originally Posted by GMMerlin

WOW they do!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Guess no one told my parts department.
There was a bulletin that came out in 2002 about the issue and the bulletin recommends that all rockers be replaced if one fails.
Personally I've only seen 2 vehicles with rocker failures.

LOL! It's always a corporate conspiracy against the "working man" in an effort to take all of his money for a cheap product huh? (hello.....warranty?!?) After all, we have to have zero defects in everything don't we.

Good luck with your Toyota.

[HanibalTheCannibal]

Get some nice Roller Rockers in there!!! You can maybe lose some of that slapping at start up with some smoooth rolling rockers.

[silveradowhite]

Warrantee is over at 3 yrs or 60,000km. Nice long warrantee on the GM. Wonder why the imports have 5 yr 100,000km, thats cause they don't break down. Rocker bearing gone at 66,000 km, that's insane, but expected from a GM. I can deal with non zero defects, but an engine should last more that 60,000 km without problems. No wonder GM is losing so much money last year.............

Originally Posted by JParrott

LOL! It's always a corporate conspiracy against the "working man" in an effort to take all of his money for a cheap product huh? (hello.....warranty?!?) After all, we have to have zero defects in everything don't we.

Good luck with your Toyota.

[jumpingjack66]

Silveradwhite, You'll have to excuse our local GM service techs here at af we love them but they are increasingly defensive and will speak no evil when it comes to GM. Sorry guys, hows that pension plan looking..lol..Anyways Merlins response to your original thread statment is classic for GM service techs and managers.. "Yours is the first vehicle i've ever seen with this problem sir, it can't be the abs brake sensors sir it must the hubs , there wore out" "Ya i know your truck only has 36,500 miles on it, but for some reason your truck ,car ect.. is the only one in the country that has had this problem$1300.00 please" "(giggle) No sir we won't warranty that ...Sorry" Does this sound familier to anybody? Well Ive heard the same jive now for 4 years, for three seperate problems that have now been finally recalled nationwide. Since ive already payed for these repairs ( I'm disabled by the way, retraining in college after a drunk driver crippled me) so paying for these obvious factory defects has been a tremendous burden.. I firmly believe that not only did GM screw everybody by building this crap and refusing to fix it until the NTSB finally held them responsable for ther deaths and suffering they have caused, but then it seems GM had to bail out the service departments that were being overwhelmed so the came up with the "service response for known defects that we don't want to pay for" script which includes proper responses like the one i included in this post.. You are absolutly right when you relate there current loss of sales to the overwhelmingly poor engineerd product and the Debochery of the service managers who decided to use these defects as a way to steal money yes i said steal money from the public.. To back this statment up i direct you to my post and poll of last year "would you buy it again " whare the poll is holding at 14-15% of people who played along said no way would they ever buy this garbage ( I.E. GM products) again because of this obvious crime of fraud. The sad part is no way will the federal gov allow a company this large to go under now so they will bail them out calling it an atempt at evening the playing field between domestic and foreign competition. I'm sorry to call you out Merlin but there is no way the GM service departments and there managers did not know what GM was doing,and should have done something to stop GM corperate when they started refusing to pick up these repairs. How Can Anybody trust GM and there employees again. I want to again apologise to Merlin I have a great deal of respect for him because of his experience and time served in the automotive industry, he does alot of good here at af helping people, but his smart @#$ response to Silveradowhites smart @#$ response set me off. I realize working at a dealership means that a person may not feel the frustration ( you get fairly cheap auto service i bet) that the rest of us common folk out here have to endure, so can you not act so smug when someone here is venting? after all these trucks aren't cheap and some of use are just getting by, without having to pay for unneccessary repairs...I'll quit now and check this tommorow in hopes of continuing this discussion. If i've said something inapropriate, i again apologise..jj

[jumpingjack66]

Here is that link to my poll of last year.. My point was that the numbers in that poll almost match perfectly what has been widly reported from GM as sales loss do to a sluggish economy, what do you think? 15% loss of sales do to poor quality or is it a sluggish economy, which is growing according to the latest employment and GNP numbers released just last week and shows that poeple are buying vehicles now, there just not buying GM productss anymore...jj

[jumpingjack66]

Here is that link to my poll of last year..

http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbul...d.php?t=287360


My point was that the numbers in that poll almost match perfectly what has been widly reported from GM as sales loss do to a sluggish economy, what do you think? 15% loss of sales do to poor quality or is it a sluggish economy, which is growing according to the latest employment and GNP numbers released just last week and shows that poeple are buying vehicles now, there just not buying GM productss anymore...jj

[BlenderWizard]

I dunno, jumpingjack, when my truck was still under warranty, my service dept. would trip over themselves to fix any nitpicky shit I could find wrong with my truck. I never did have any mechanical problems, though.

[JCL82]

Originally Posted by BlenderWizard

I dunno, jumpingjack, when my truck was still under warranty, my service dept. would trip over themselves to fix any nitpicky shit I could find wrong with my truck. I never did have any mechanical problems, though.

I have to agree with this message. They do try to fix the problems if it happens to them. I recommend though that anytime you buy a vehicle you buy the 100,000 warrarty. Sure it might cost 1500 bucks, but with today's vehicles , you will need it. I will agree with you that a toyata does make some good vehicles that last very long time even after abuse(damn mom). My truck is in the shop right now and i'm at 91'000 miles and their fixing the problems with my truck for 50 bucks. Check out my thread. Though there are only a few problems, my transmission and engine(w/ valve taps) is still strong and going,knock on wood.

[jumpingjack66]

Aftergiving up on the dealership ware i bought this truck which is 30 miles away i whent to the next closest dealership for service that is 50 miles away and recieved the exact same speel. This occured while i was still under the 36,000 mile warrenty. Instead od fixing the prob they will find something else to call the problem something yoiu have to pay for and then" oh by the way we found this other problem so we took care of it for you. I didn't pay for new hubs. I had the tsb in my hand for the wheel speed sensors and $200.00 later the the problem was fixed but the dealership refused to warrenty the work because i did not let them replace the hubs which are still fine at 71,000 miles. These crooks did this bait and switch twice . The secound time was for the parking brakes. I refused to pay for new rotors on the rear ( they had 12,000 miles on them) so they replaced the spring in this assembly and again refused to warrenty the work because i didn't let them put the rotors on. 4 monthes later they the brake failed rolled across a busy parking lot and hit a new toyota pu. Parking brake set of course. This could have killed someone and i had to pay that $500.00 deduct but statefarm whent to sue GM over it..I got nothing for my trouble..jj

[JParrott]

If y'all don't like your rigs, trade 'em in on something else.

I'm not going to slight anyone's situation, but there's alot more opinionated bitching going on in this thread than any real factual complaints.

[BlenderWizard]

Originally Posted by JParrott

If y'all don't like your rigs, trade 'em in on something else.

Yep, get in or get out, but quit bitching. And like he said, i, too, am not trying to slight anyone's situation