Do you like the 2006 GTO?

[brihamlin]

It's pretty much the same as the 2005 although they did ad hood scoops. I'm suprised they are targeting BMW, why not go retro. There's a small army of GTO loyalists just waiting for the true return of the Goat.

http://www.automedia.com/2006/Pontia...s20050901pg/1/

[rzkz8k]

Hood scoops were added in 2005, not 2006.

What small army is waiting for a reto? Is there a group or Internet site I can visit?

Thanks

[brihamlin]

Originally Posted by rzkz8k

Hood scoops were added in 2005, not 2006.

What small army is waiting for a reto? Is there a group or Internet site I can visit?

Thanks

That comment was based on a show I saw on the Speed Channel. The "expert" guest was a bit miffed that Pontiac didn't cater to the GTO groupies and instead targeted BMW with a more "upscale" GTO.

I'm sure if you did a google search on GTO forum you could find something.

[MrPbody]

This debate has raged since the '04 model was introduced. Most of us "old fart" GTO guys LOVE the new car. The bandwagoneers are the ones crying about no "retro". That Pontiac had enough class to NOT try to emulate the old cars, is to be commended.

A true GTO guy (or gal) is much more interested in the look of the dash, the hood and the steering wheel. They aren't into "Hey! Look at me!" They (GTO people) are also more interested in what happens when you hit the "loud pedal" than they are in styling ques.

GTO is the quickest/fastest car on the market under $50K. While it isn't the flashiest car out there, it has subtle and tasteful styling. It looks like most other modern cars because modern cars use aerodynamics first, styling second. There's one shape that works the best.

All-in-all, GTO is exactly what it's supposed to be, an intermediate-sized car with a big engine and lots of performance, at a more reasonable price than its' competitors.

Watch for the LS-7s to be ANIMALS! (if and when GM allows the engine to go into GTO)

Jim

Lots of cars are fast, and they all have a allmost religious feeling at the show room, it's the engine and the car, not the car and the engine it's not me saying this, it's just how it's allways been. Some of you have some wild engine orgy of engines and car thing going on, some of you could not care on pushrod about what engine is in the car.

I think some of you who own that BASTARD or fatherless car had the same kinda high that Nazis had pulling gold out of dead soldiers teeth, "Gold is Gold" "Fast is Fast" GM, Chevy and the Aussis pulled the gold out of the dead PMD GTO, it's the 3M sticker on the car, and to REAL Pontiac People it's like seeing Dead GI Teeth Gold.

At that smallest point I can make is this :
"Pontiac never put anything but a Pontiac engine in a GTO"
"The car GM is calling a GTO now, does not have a PONTIAC engine the current engine is in the family of CHEVY"

And don't take "you know whos" word on it, he does'nt even know what a 72 GTO is.You going to cry again to the forum police because I showed how much you don't know about Pontiacs again, what a baby, he gets his name in a Pontiac book and he has a power trip and tryed to get me removed! I don't like it here and if I get booted i'm fine with it, you guys rub each others backs and run to the aid of one another without proveing me wrong, you quote me as if you answering my questions but you don't."IT'S A GTO BECAUSE GM SAYS IT IS! IT'S A GTO BECAUSE IT'S FAST!Gm says also, now they are saying they are going down the drain. I have been shutting you all down every time because one thing you can't get away from is that it's a CHEVY engine in a IMPORT being sold as a Pontiac GTO!

IT DOSE NOT HAVE A PONTIAC ENGINE!

Now I know other "Super Cars" tend to use any "fast" engine they can get to power the cars they make, but the great ones don't and we all know the Great One will allways be known as the GTO a PONTIAC GTO.

You can refuse what I say but never before has this car pissed off so many car people, just about every mag thats had this car in it has made a slight comment about it being imported and nonPontiac powered. GM even had to shake a cage to the Pontiac people to put the words "PONTIAC" on the dam car!!!!Good Night people can you READ??????????Jag never got this kinda coverage when America bought it!

Sure GM calls it a GTO, but they called the GEO metro a chevy.
How many times has Pontiac changed it's logan? It's a GM hore, it has no real good cars since "F body". Now with the new 2 seater Chevy had taken the that car over to it's area to to fit it with a Small block, it's not being done at a Pontiac Plant, it may be massed in a Pontiac Plant but the mock up was Chevy. If GM does not go under soon then Pontiac's name will go after Buick as Olds did.

I love America more then anybody, but the BS cars like the ChevyAussiGTO GM is selling is digging it's own demise with LIES and poor cars and trucks, this "anything go's" cars without soles crap is it's end.

You can get a Dodge engine in a Dodge, you can get a Ford engine in a Ford and so on, but you can't get a Pontiac engine in a Pontiac!

It's a GM lie backed with 3M tape! GM RIP

Some Pontiac people talk as if they are a part of and can deem things correct, but it turns out that so called Pontiac people don't know a 68 GTO from a 71 GTO, what a crime, what a lie, look out for these people as they will lead you to the belly of a lion.

Hey Mr P want to sit down with a Pontiac Book?

[Jaguar D-Type]

Originally Posted by ramairgto72

You can get a Dodge engine in a Dodge

Not with the the Dodge Sprinter as it is a rebadged Mercedes-Benz Sprinter.

http://www.dodge.com/sprinter/

http://www2.mercedes-benz.co.uk/cont...s/gallery.html





Also, the hood scoops come standard for 2006 while they were optional for 2005.

[MrPbody]

Well, glad to see you're at least consistent!

You get a CHRYSLER engine in all Dodges, Chrylsers, Jeeps, etc.

You get Ford engines in Lincolns, Mercurys and Fords.

Corporate is corporate...

Get a life! Sniping is the sign of an idle mind.

Jim

"Sniping is the sign of an idle mind"

Did you buy a book of quick wips Mr. P?, your so silly....

Oh you better stay on subject MR P or you may get reported, and we all now about reporting people...

The point you missed or refused to see is that GM widely lies about whats under the hood, if nobody cared about it why woud GM put different names on the same plastic cove on the same engine?

The others have Dodge engines, they have Ford engines I guess you could bitch to me about Jeep because they use Dodge engines but the rest don't lie, a hemi is a hemi in a 2500 Dodge or a Jeep grand, it's not called hemi and a AMC now is it?

I will say that GM's Duramax is not played off as a GM powerplant however it's not well known that it's an import engine.

[Jaguar D-Type]

Originally Posted by ramairgto72

I will say that GM's Duramax is not played off as a GM powerplant however it's not well known that it's an import engine.

The Duramax Diesel 6600 is produced in Moraine, Ohio.

http://www.shadetreemechanic.com/duramax_diesel.htm

In case you never heard, GM is a global company.

[MrPbody]

And what lies would those be?

Originally Posted by Jaguar D-Type

The Duramax Diesel 6600 is produced in Moraine, Ohio.

http://www.shadetreemechanic.com/duramax_diesel.htm

In case you never heard, GM is a global company.

The Duramax is a Isuzu engine. I was not going anyplace with this other then it's not well known it's not an American engine, however if you want me to pick it apart, it at some point even being made here and over seas is not putting back into our country. Dodge has taken off with the Cummins, a great engine I would bank more on it then the Duramax, and what about GM's famed detroit diesel? That engine is powering every Military H1, and has evolved over time with more cubes and turboed, why did they drop this? I don't know, but any time you say "No we don't need American people to think up our next truck engine, it's less money to buy a import idea" it sucks for America.

but on to the orignal point.

If you look at the plastic covers on the current/past engines the portrayal of the name on the cover leads to what they car is powered by, why do this if nobody cares whats powering the car/ truck? Your every day Jack and Jane have no clue about engines, case in point is that some cars made don't have Trans dip sticks (good god) because people don't look under the hood anymore, and the trans is said to outlast the car.You would have to wonder how many people would walk away from a car had they known it's got a miss matched car/engine.

It's to fool or ease the person who buys the car into thinking that they have a "Pontiac" they have a "caddy" powered car, but behold on the chevy side they call these engines Gen 3 and 4, as much as SOME PEOPLE like to look at cam sizes and piston head size, the Gen III and IV came from and is called a chevy by the people who make aftermarket parts the people who write about it, and is called "the next Gen" by GM it's self.

Last month I was filling up my Jeep at a BP and a fake GTO pulled up next to me, not on the other side, but next to me, it was blue, he started up talking to me by telling me I had a nice Jeep, however I knew he only said this to get a comment on his own car, I told him I had a 72 GTO, and told him that it was too bad that his car was not powered by a real Pontiac engine, he looked at me and then looked at his car with a confused look, and said "sure it is", I shook my head and got in my Jeep, now if this guy would not have said "sure it is" I would have thought that he was just pissed at me, but i'm sure now I placed the seed of truth, and even if he keeps the car the nagging sand in the oyster will become a pearl at some point.

"It's fast" "becasue GM says" "everybody does it"

Answers like this sound more like children trying to get out of a problem....

[Jaguar D-Type]

They probably dropped it because it wouldn't meet future emissions. The 2006 Hummer H1 Alpha uses the new 6.6 liter Duramax engine.

While I can disagree with you on some things, I do admire your appreciation of American cars unlike some people I know.

It's a head pill to swallow when I hear people saying that "Ameica" can't build a better car then a import.

Turely these people have no idea of the fires of the Iron works and the fire in the American worker to pound out tools of war after the 7th of december.

In peace America makes cars/trucks that made others look vending machine bought.

However saying that I can't thelp to think that American auto system has a problem, and I don't know where to place the blame, the fact that some cars we make that are mid class cars are not as good as imports in the same calss, case in point, 1 american car made the Insurance test people list for "best car" in a wreck. Do you blame "free trade" or other countries 12 to a house ability, Japan has limited pay in it's auto factorys, you know going in that you build for the county for the factory not for yourself, they have the drive of a waring nation, like we did in WW2.

The only thing I can dig up for us in the last few years is the H1 armor plant going 120% to get retro fit armor for over seas.

If you look at it from a "game" that both sides have the ability to win, it will boil down to "who wants it more" and i'm not sure that the avarage American would be willing to give up cable while the avarage Jap would work well into the night without pay.

Kinda like that movie "Gung HO".

I do know that when America is in real distress we allways come back, and with GM pulling back for a regroup I see it comming back bigger then before.

On another note, does the pontiac solaris have or be useing the Ecotes 2.0 as it's base engine?

[Jaguar D-Type]

The Saleen S7 Twin Turbo crushes just about every single European exotic. It is now available with a 1,000 hp option.

It is actually the Pontiac Solstice. I checked the url of that picture and I'm not sure why they said it was the Solaris. That Solstice looks like the 2002 concept rather than the Solstice shown in 2004 as what the production car would look like. The new Solstice uses a 2.4 liter 177 hp Ecotech.

http://seriouswheels.com/top-Pontiac...er-Concept.htm

Originally Posted by Jaguar D-Type

The Saleen S7 Twin Turbo crushes just about every single European exotic. It is now available with a 1,000 hp option.

It is actually the Pontiac Solstice. I checked the url of that picture and I'm not sure why they said it was the Solaris. That Solstice looks like the 2002 concept rather than the Solstice shown in 2004 as what the production car would look like. The new Solstice uses a 2.4 liter 177 hp Ecotech.

http://seriouswheels.com/top-Pontiac...er-Concept.htm

I have a book with GM engines for sale www.paceperformance.com great mag I can't keep my eyes out of it when i'm on the can, in the book they have a 2 Ecotec engines, one is 145hp @ 5600rpm TQ is 155@ 400Orpm $2,049.95

They also have a supercharged one 205hp and 200tq $3889.95

Maybe my mag is a little out of date but I don't see a 177hp, I do know that a SBC was tested, I seen it on PBS...

You know this spring i'm going to test drive one, i'm tall so I don't have a god outlook on it.

So the pic I put up is different from the 02?