How to force security problem

[weber45ca]

I need to do the re-learn for the security light problem.
The problem is that when it fails on its own usually I can't wait and get it done. Is there any way of forcing the security to kick in??

Please suggestions

Thank You

Weber

[MT-2500]

Year make modle and what kind of key does it have?
Does the light come on and go off when key is turned on or stay on?
Have you checked for codes?
Mt

[weber45ca]

99GA SE v6
I'm not sure what you mean about the keys, it is a regular key with a black plastic where you hold it.
Sometimes the car works ok, it only fails once in a while. Sometimes the security light comes on and off while driving but it keeps going. The problem is when parked and the starting the car, most of the times starts ok, but sometimes the security light comes on and the I have to wait the 10 min.

Thanks

[Degtr]

I had that problem as well as other weird electrical issues (gauges and HVAC would die, fog lamps would turn on an off when the switch was in the on position) that I traced back to the ignition switch assembly on my '99 SE. I removed the whole thing, took it apart, cleaned all contacts (which were a mess), and put it back together--everything works perfectly now.

[MT-2500]

The reason I asked about the key is they use two different types of keys. If the square black key with the pellet in it they give problems with the key switch and key pellets get worn down.
If you have a good spare key try it.
But you need to get it on a scanner and see what is turning on the light. It should show a code. If you can get the code no. post it back.
MT

[crys36]

Had this same problem with my Buick. The key gets worn on the little metal chip. The ignition gets worn the same way. They need to make good contact !! I had a new key made that cures the problem temporarily. One bad turn and off go's my security but in my case its only 3 min. Another thing that does help if you don't change the ignition switch ( which will come with new key) is to put the key in kinda slowly ,make sure its in well and a nice soft turn usually gets it going. The jam and turn does'nt give a bad ignition time to set and boom off to security lock. A contact cleaner for electrical- shot in the ignition is another quick fix. Changing Ignitions suck but it sure beats getting stranded. Also my keys are $20 a pop once a year. Good luck with you venture.

[crys36]

Originally Posted by weber45ca

I need to do the re-learn for the security light problem.
The problem is that when it fails on its own usually I can't wait and get it done. Is there any way of forcing the security to kick in??

Please suggestions

Thank You

Weber

Keep jammin in the key and turning till ya get what ya want.......

[crys36]

Whats the other saying "Be careful for what you ask for, you just might get it ".

[Hoags]

Sounds like you may have a problem with the ignition switch, the security system is not operating properly when you are putting in the key or it is not reading the fact that the key is in place and that could be causing the security light to activate some times while you are driving.

My 2 cents worth I hope it helps.

[raycorri]

Originally Posted by Hoags

Sounds like you may have a problem with the ignition switch, the security system is not operating properly when you are putting in the key or it is not reading the fact that the key is in place and that could be causing the security light to activate some times while you are driving.

My 2 cents worth I hope it helps.

My security light started coming on again about a year after paying the dealership $450 to replace a faulty Ignition lock cylinder. I was at my wit’s end. My wife and kids would be stuck at night in some shopping center parking lot waiting 10 minutes to reset the stupid thing. I was able to Bypass, Disable or Ghetto Hack my passlock II anti-theft system on my 2002 Oldsmobile Alero without relays or resistors. I had my local Auto wiring tech install a $5 on/off toggle switch under my dash that is connected into the yellow (key resistance/code/recognition) wire that can be cut while the engine is running to essientially bypass passlock I(1) or II(2) permanently.(I do not have nor intend to install a remote starter and I do not have an alarm on this car.) The toggle switch idea came about because of my concern that a dealership tech could possibly reset the security “fail- enable” mode or the battery could die or become disconnected for an extended period of time and reset the intended fault. All I need to do is flip a switch to break the circuit again while the car is running to take the passlock system offline. When the system is offline, the security light is on constantly.(Not flashing.) I don’t mind the light, but others may want to remove the bulb or black it out. Here’s how the setup works:
1)Switch On while engine is running – Security system is on.(Factory Setting) Security light is off. (Circuit is complete.)
2)Switch Off while engine is running – Security system goes into “fail-enable” mode and bypasses the passlock system.. Security light is illuminated.(Circuit is broken.)
3)Switch On while engine is off – Security system is on (Factory Setting)
4)Switch Off while engine is off – Security system detects this as a theft attempt
and will not allow you to start the car until you flip the switch On to complete the circuit.(Acts as a FUEL KILL SWITCH.)
Below you will find a thread and some supporting evidence of why this bypass actually works. The entire job took 25 minutes. There is an incredible link below with high resolution pictures of the wiring for your specific car. I included the actual photos that I used to gain access to my ignition lock cylinder wiring. *Special note: those with GM Class II Data Bus should leave your radio connected during the entire procedure so nothing weird happens. If you are unsure if your car is so equipped, it’s best to leave the radio connected and let it hang. Good luck and post with your success stories! 12/4/05

http://www.the12volt.com/installbay/...694&PN=1&TPN=1 Is this You? Get in your car....try to start it and find that the passlock II is screwed up again, you have to wait 10 minutes for it to reset. When it resets it starts up and runs fine. Fix-------Start the car, find the yellow wire that I'm sure you've read about, the rcode wire that is, and cut it. Shut off the car and you're done! The rcode wire on my 2001 alero is behind and to the left of the radio, you must take out the radio.....the yellow wire accompanies two other wires, the white and black, the 3 wires are alone and run inside what appears to be a cheap electrical tape that will fall apart in your hand when you start tugging on it, they are very thin wires, maybe 18 to 22. I taped off both ends of the yellow wire too.Took me about 14 days to find this out and reading no exageration 1000 posts. Forget all the relay, DEI and resister crap that I'm sure you've read about. All this writing assumes that this will continue to work.....i WILL be back here to post an update if it fails again. If you have doubts of me coming back to update a failure you can email me

http://www.insurorsservicebureau.com...cal/ISB_QA.pdf page 4, The PASS Key Module also has the ability to allow engine operation if it recognizes a system fault in the ignition key reference circuit while the engine is running. In this case the Module enters and remains in a mode which allows the engine to be started and run without reading the resistance chip. This mode requires that the original factory resistance chip key be in the ignition lock
cylinder at the time the fault occurs. During this mode, the
security light will be ON all the time. When the key reference circuit is repaired, the module will automatically reprogram itself to the mode requiring the original resistance chip.

http://www.motorage.com/motorage/dat...09/article.pdf page 3, If the correct key is in the cylinder and that circuit
fails while the engine is running, this is considered a
malfunction, not a theft attempt. The “Security” light
may turn on to warn of a system malfunction, but even if
it doesn’t, a key recognition circuit failure with the proper
key in the lock will cause the TDM to enter what GM
calls a “fail-enable” mode. Essentially, the theft-deterrent
system goes offline and the engine will start and run
with any key that turns the lock.
http://www.directwholesale.net/diagr...4&link=BULLDOG
http://www.directwholesale.net/diagr...7&link=BULLDOG
http://www.bulldogsecurity.com/ and click on vehicle wiring diagrams to select your particular make.
Also how to disable Daytime Running Lamps http://www.lightsout.org/disable.html
2001 Olds Alero Locate the DRL relay in the main fuse box under the hood, it is #22 corresponding to the diagram on the underside of the fuse box cover. Remove the relay, snip pin 87, and re-insert.

Here's the definitive thread on Passlock with the procedure to add the modification toggle switch: http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbul...d.php?t=454520

[Hoags]

I'm supprised that didn't mess with the computer, I'm glad you found something that worked, it sounds like you actually have more control of you security.

[xeroinfinity]

Sounds like a damn headache to me And alot of time. Might as well went to a salvage yard a picked up a used parts or two.

My security features too. I just make sure the key is all the way in before i turn it. Hell my ignitions so worn I can take the key out while its running. If I get to far away, it does die and the security light flashes. i just stick the key in and it fires right up.
My better half has like a hundred keys on her key chain, and it wont always start for her, think the wieght pulls the conection loose when the key needs to make contact. just my

[raycorri]

Originally Posted by xeroinfinity

Sounds like a damn headache to me And alot of time. Might as well went to a salvage yard a picked up a used parts or two.

My security features too. I just make sure the key is all the way in before i turn it. Hell my ignitions so worn I can take the key out while its running. If I get to far away, it does die and the security light flashes. i just stick the key in and it fires right up.
My better half has like a hundred keys on her key chain, and it wont always start for her, think the wieght pulls the conection loose when the key needs to make contact. just my

In my opinion, used parts won't solve the problem either because they will just fail like the new part that I put on. There are literally thousands of posts on the internet of people with these same ignition lock cylinder problems. The N-body cars seem to be the leaders.(Malibu, Alero, Grand-Am) Yeah, I can see where this might seem a bit involved.... but it's really not. I just wanted to follow up with evidence of how it works. The quick simple fix is just to cut the yellow wire and tape up both ends. I took a screwdriver to pop the cover from around the stereo and took out 4 screws. Then, pulled out the stereo. The 3 wires from the ignition are right there on the left. Start the car and cut the yellow wire. That's it. You won't have to replace the ignition lock cylinder until it falls apart. I don't have to worry about my wife and kids being stuck somewhere. I certainly didn't mean for it to come across as being complicated at all. Enevitably, someone will ask why this works.

[xeroinfinity]

I see what your saying thier raycorri . Stuck wife&kids is no good! That'll catch you hell for a week or two.

Thier is a recall on some of those GA's. Check it out here. Has most cars listed, its a nice place.
http://www.internetautoguide.com/aut...lls/index.html

[nova_gh]

put a battery cut-out switch inline with the + end of your battery. When the light comes on, flip the switch, wait a sec to discharge, reset. Away you go. $13 at O'Reily's Auto. I ended up getting a new lock cylinder for mine cause i got p.o. at it and got my key jammed in it, i took my battery switch out cause i've never had problems with it since. This part to replaced yourself, and without being able to turn the key (which you HAVE to be able to shift into Neutral) will take several hours. Heres the trick boys and girls, don't buy a Pontiac lock cylinder. Ask for a Chevy Malibu lock cylinder. Thats what i've got in my GA right now, no problems. The Malibus I've yet to read anything about security problems, and its the same freakin' lock cylinder.