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New 3.5 liter V-6
The current Mustang has a SOHC 4.0 liter V-6 with 210 hp and 240 lb-ft of torque. The new aluminum 3.5 liter V-6 will likely weigh less than the SOHC 4.0 liter iron-block V-6.
The new Ford Edge crossover will get Ford's all-new 3.5 liter DOHC V-6 next year. Press release: 11-9-2005 - New 6-speed automatic transaxle that saves fuel - up to 7 percent in highway driving and nearly two tanks of gas a year compared with typical 4-speed automatics - Engine designed with the future in mind - capable of super-clean PZEV emissions, hybrids, direct-injection and turbocharging - Work begins on Ford's third-generation hybrid technology for future I-4 and V-6 engines New 3.5-Liter V-6 The new 3.5-liter V-6 was designed to deliver the best combination of fuel economy, refinement and performance for the customer and be compact enough to fit into a variety of vehicles. The height and width of the engine is the same as the smaller displacement Duratec 30 V-6. The engine produces 250 horsepower and 240 pound-feet of torque in its CUV [crossover utility vehicle] applications. It uses a dual-overhead cam valvetrain for peak power capability and smooth operation at high RPM. It incorporates intake variable cam timing to optimize fuel economy by adjusting valve timing for a smooth idle, optimal part-load driving and an impressively broad torque curve with good power. In anticipation of future needs, the new V-6 has been designed to accommodate advanced technologies, including gasoline direct injection and turbo charging. The engine will be built in the fall of 2006 at Ford's Lima (Ohio) Engine Plant. 6F 6-Speed Transaxle Ford also underscored its leadership in fuel-saving transmissions with the reveal of a new 6-speed for the new Ford Edge and Lincoln Aviator. Ford is an industry leader in 6-speed transmissions with 24 nameplates already offered with the highly efficient technology. Six-speed automatic transaxles improve performance and fuel economy. It is estimated that, for every 500,000 6-speeds - rather than traditional 4-speeds - fitted to vehicles, 12 million gallons of fuel can be saved annually (based on 25 mpg combined fuel economy for 15,000 miles). The enhanced performance and fuel economy of the new 6F comes from a wide span of 6.04 between the transaxle's lowest and highest gear ratio. The high ratio span helps deliver improved fuel economy of up to 7 percent and improved sustained acceleration compared with a typical 4-speed automatic. The new 6F will be fitted to the 3.5-liter V-6 in the Ford Edge and Lincoln Aviator. The combination delivers optimal fuel economy and powerful performance combined with smooth, refined and quiet shifts. The new Ford 6F will be built at Ford's Van Dyke (Mich.) Transmission Plant. More News on Hybrids Ford also took another step toward delivering on its commitment of putting 250,000 hybrid vehicles a year on the road by 2010 with the announcement that engineering work already is under way on a third-generation hybrid transaxle - one developed using Ford's in-house hybrid expertise. Engineered in Dearborn, the new hybrid transaxle will be capable of handling both 4-cylinder and 6-cylinder engines for future vehicles. In addition, Ford announced that the Ford Escape Hybrid would debut this week as the first hybrid taxi carrying passengers throughout the five boroughs of New York City. Ford, the New York City Taxi & Limousine Commission and the Coalition for Smart Transportation will mark the milestone on Thursday. Improved NVH and Refinement The elimination of noise, vibration and harshness (NVH) was a particular target for the development team. Extensive use of CAE modeling on the transaxle case built a solid housing for the transaxle components. Engineers used computer-aided analysis to determine exactly where strengthening ribs needed to be added to the casing to minimize radiated noise and vibration. CAE modeling also was used to add thickness to the case in appropriate areas for added strength. In addition, the transaxle's three simple planetary gear sets are designed for robustness and use low-pinion pitch line velocities to reduce noise. All gears are cut using high-precision CNC hobbing, grinding and honing machines. The transfer and final drive gears are hard-treated for strength, and subsequently ground and honed to provide a more precise fit, thus reducing gear whine. The 6F also features the first use of an off-axis pump for Ford. This package-enabler takes up much less space in the transaxle. Package efficiency is further enabled by the pump's chain drive. The pump porting also was optimized to improve NVH. The 6F uses only plate clutches for each shift to deliver quiet, smooth shifts throughout the entire ratio span. In addition, the 6F uses a Ford proprietary control strategy that uses powerful adaptive algorithms. The 6F provides fast, responsive shifts throughout the operating range that are smooth yet crisp, which delivers an invigorating driving experience to the customer. Factory Tested for Quality To ensure the best possible shift quality, each 6F transaxle is bench tested at Ford's Van Dyke (Mich.) Transaxle Plant. There, the transaxle build quality is verified, detecting even minute variations in the manufacturing process. Using a unique patent pending process, software programmed into the 6F's electronic controller individually trims and characterizes all solenoids and clutches to eliminate the variances that would normally lead to changes in shift feel, producing smooth, precisely controlled shifts that improve durability and customer satisfaction. Power in a Compact, Modern Package Ford's new V-6 produces 250 horsepower and 240 pound-feet of torque with a 3.5-liter displacement unit with a height and width that is the same as Ford's smaller Duratec 30 V-6. This enables Ford to install the engine in a wide variety of current and future products. In developing the new engine, Ford engineers targeted excellent performance, fuel economy and low exhaust emissions. In addition, engineers designed the engine to work together in harmony with Ford's new 6F 6-speed automatic. By analyzing the transaxle and engine together, noise, vibration and harshness characteristics of the powertrain were optimized to ensure a quiet, trouble-free driving experience. The all-new 3.5-liter V-6 architecture provides significant flexibility to incorporate additional engine technologies. The 3.5-liter engineering team included extra provisions to make upgrades relatively simple. These upgrades include such potential features as hybrid capability, gasoline direct injection and direct-injection turbo charging. A Solid Foundation - Durability and NVH Every world-class engine starts with a solid foundation. To optimize the base engine structure to provide outstanding durability and NVH, the lower-end design of the 3.5-liter engine features a forged-steel, fully counterweighted crankshaft with induction-hardened journals, fractured-split, powder metal-forged connecting rods and high-temperature alloy, cast aluminum pistons. These components are housed in a High Pressure Diecast (HPDC) aluminum cylinder block featuring six-bolt mains with cast in cast-over iron liners. The engine's cylinder block design represents the first application of a high-pressure die-cast block for a V-configuration engine for Ford Motor Company. Ford chose HPDC over more conventional semi-permanent and sand casting processes because: - Reduced raw material requirements (lower weight than if designed for conventional sand casting) - Tighter casting process control capability Better and more consistent casting qualities - Elimination of reliance on casting processes that have byproducts requiring strict environmental controls - Reduction of expensive post-casting processing (cleaning, heat treating, machining and assembly) requirements - Ford deployed extensive CAE modeling to reduce lead-time, optimize die design and simulate critical process parameters to help ensure a consistent, robust casting. - High Airflow, Optimized Combustion - Performance, Fuel Economy and Emissions The 3.5-liter V-6's upper-end was designed as a system, all the way from the throttle body to the exhaust manifolds, to create the optimum flow for peak power and a broad torque curve. CAE analysis was used to fine-tune each component to deliver the required airflow without the need for intake flaps or butterfly valves in the system. Advanced throttle-control software enables precise tuning of engine response to fit the character of each vehicle application while setting the engine to run at its peak efficiency for optimal fuel economy. The 3.5-liter V-6 uses a compact, lightweight dual-overhead cam valvetrain for peak power capability and smooth operation at high RPMs. The engine also incorporates intake variable cam timing (iVCT) to optimize valve timing for a smooth idle, optimal part-load driving and an impressively broad torque curve with good power. The iVCT system uses a hydraulically actuated spool valve that can rotate the intake camshafts up to 40 degrees within a half-second. A low-friction, roller-chain cam drive contributes to fuel efficiency. Optimized Cylinder Head Produced with Flexible Machining The aluminum cylinder heads in Ford's new V-6 are designed for high airflow and optimized combustion to support performance, fuel economy and low emissions. CAE was used extensively to develop the airflow and combustion system performance for this cylinder head design. This efficient combustion is enhanced by incorporating a centrally located spark plug and a high 10.3:1 compression ratio. The cylinder heads also were designed to accommodate fuel-efficient technology upgrades such as gasoline direct injection. Low Emissions Capability Ford's new 3.5-liter engine is PZEV capable right out of the box. Careful design consideration for the combustion system and catalysts create an engine that can meet stringent emissions standards without the need for expensive add-on technology. The 3.5-liter V-6 is capable of achieving PZEV certification by delivering low cold-start emissions and enabling rapid catalyst light-off, which is a significant accomplishment for a larger displacement V-6 engine, says Tom McCarthy, engine systems manager for the 3.5-liter V-6 engine program. This is accomplished with low heat-loss exhaust manifolds and close-coupled catalysts for fast light off during cold start. Optimized fuel injector targeting minimizes cold-start emissions before the catalysts reach operating temperature. 3.5-Liter V-6 and 6F Automatic Technical Specifications ENGINE Type: 3.5 liter DOHC 24-valve V-6 Manufacturing Location: Lima Engine Plant, Ohio Configuration: 60-degree V-6, aluminum block and heads Intake Manifold: Composite, slit plenum Exhaust Manifold: Cast iron Crankshaft: Forged steel Throttle Body: 65mm, electronic Valvetrain: DAMB, 4 valves per cylinder, intake variable camshaft timing Valve Diameter: Intake: 37mm Exhaust: 31 mm Pistons: High temperature cast aluminum alloy with low-friction coated skirts, low-tension rings Connecting Rods: Cracked-powder metal Ignition: Pencil coil Bore x Stroke: 3.6 x 3.4 in/92.5 x 86.7 mm Displacement: 213 cu in/3.496 cc Compression Ratio: 10.3:1 Horsepower: 250 at 6,250 rpm (estimated) Horsepower per Liter: 71.5 (estimated) Torque: 240 lb-ft at 4,500 rpm (estimated) Redline: 6,700 rpm Recommended Fuel: 87 Octane Fuel Capacity: 20 gallons Fuel Injection: Sequential multiport fuel injection Oil Capacity: 5.5 quarts, with filter Recommended Oil: GF4, 5W-20 TRANSMISSION Type: 6-Speed Automatic Gear Ratios 1st: 4.484:1 2nd: 2.872:1 3rd: 1.842:1 4th: 1.414:1 5th: 1.000:1 6th: 0.742:1 REV: 00034 The acronym PZEV stands for Partial Zero-Emission Vehicle. PZEV rated vehicles are supposed to produce 90% fewer emissions than the average new car and also have zero evaporative emissions. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() The lower-end design of Ford's new 3.5 liter V-6 engine features a forged-steel, fully counterweighted crankshaft with induction-hardened journals, fractured-split, powder metal-forged connecting rods and high-temperature alloy, cast-aluminum pistons that are all optimized for the base engine structure to provide outstanding durability and NVH. These components are housed in a High Pressure Diecast (HPDC) aluminum cylinder block featuring six-bolt mains with cast in cast-over iron liners. ![]() Careful design consideration for the combustion system and catalysts create an engine that can meet stringent emissions standards without the need for expensive add-on technology. ![]() Aluminum block, cylinder heads, valve covers, and oil pan. ![]() ![]() Intake manifold ![]() The new V-6 uses a High Pressure Diecast (HPDC) aluminum cylinder block, featuring six-bolt mains with cast in cast-over iron liners. ![]() ![]() |
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Re: New 3.5 liter V-6
i really like that, it looks like a really great engine.
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Re: New 3.5 liter V-6
now put a turbo w/ 6psi on it with a good tune and your pushing ~320.
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Heck, look at my I6 2.6, stock is 8.5 with 4 valves and from the factory it comes with 10lbs boost, and you have to run 94oct to keep the det away. I must say I do like that engine, should be fun to see what the market is like for it in a couple of years.
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Looks great. That engine seems powerful enough to step down on the tranny ratios alittle to me. But i don't know the final drive ratio and don't make cars either.
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Quite a few Zx2's run 8-10PSI (weaker bottom end then the focus) |
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Like I said, yes it can be done, but at the end of the day that compression ratio is a little too high for the efforts in power gains.
I know guys running over 30lbs on 8.5 ratios, that is not my point.
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Assuming 15whp per PSI, is ~9lbs, now 10-11 woudlnt make a great daily, since you would have to run like 100oct, but the motor CAN take it. their SVT focus Kit can run 9psi on pump, and thats a 10.5:1 motor www.focus-power.com |
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Re: New 3.5 liter V-6
13* @ WOT and 12.6AF albeit it does say that is without any water injection or intercooler, that is the saving grace. Good power levels, but I thought you said the engine had 9.6?
From what I know about engines, I sure hope they are telling the whole story on that turbo set-up. I love how the guy says he has 10 more psi, that is pretty darn funny, and to top it off 125 shot. So that would be around 40psi on a 125 shot, what is wrong with this picture?
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Re: New 3.5 liter V-6
yes stock zetec motors (usa spec) are 9.6:1 compression, a lot of people make home made kits and with a rough tune run 7psi safely
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I did not read about that 10.5:1 compression ratio on that link. I can see a 9.6:1 at 7psi with a 4 valve head, but a 10.5:1 that is really pushing the limit. Did I miss something on the link you provided?
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Re: New 3.5 liter V-6
you can run 20psi, on 13:1 you just have to have the motor built right(woudnt be for street use though)
its not impossible to run 6spi on the 10.5:1, it just depends on how strong the bottom end is. people throw turbos w/ 5-6psi on stock hondas with tuning, and they can be in the 11:1 range on some motors heres an example: Integra type R, 10.6 comp, and they make kits that will let you run 5-6psi depending on the tuner, stock motor. |
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I am looking at it this way, streetable, and practicality.
Of course you can turbocharger any engine, but some times it is not practical. With that high of comp ratio, and the effciincy of the heads, that is all I am getting at. Of course it can be done, but its not always the best way of going about it. With that head, your going to see much greater gains with lower compression, that is all I am sayin'. If I was to go through the trouble of installing a turbo, you can bet that I am going to decrease the comp ratio a little, to make it more street friendly. Is there any problems with quench on these engines? I take it from your response those engine have issues with the bottom ends? I am looking at more like a detonation nightmare. Of course tuning it will cure that, but it will not be in a very power friendly range, well there are band aids you can use to help of course, but I am talking your normal run of the mill, backyard turbo install. Nothing too fancy. I like high compression turboed engines, but 10.3 is still a little too high for me, which is the engine we are reffering too, right? Can you show me some 10.5:1, 4 valve per cyl engine running on 93 octain, at 10 psi? That is a pretty impressive set up for some good power.
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Re: New 3.5 liter V-6
i dont know of any 10psi 10.5comps off hand i mostly deal w/ i4's, you can make 6psi on tha tmotor streetable, you just have to spend the time.money to get it tuned right.
Your right though over that I'd drop the compression for more streetability. The thing is to ust know what the bottom end can take (wait and let others blow up 1st) adn the real problem with the Zetec motor is just need to add some arp studs and your good, rods if your gonna go for really high numbers. |
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