2000 Sunfire No DTRL

[Satanspet]

ok guys so i just bought my 2000 sunfire and after some extensive work its road worthy but heres the kicker, there is still one problem i can't seem to fix, when i start up the car and put it in gear the day time running light (DTRL), light flickers on the dash a bunch of times then goes into a service light, the headlights at this time also flicker and shut off, i have low and high beems but no DTRL and its sorta frustrating, Ne thoughts? thanks, also i forgot my high beams do not work either... thanks again

Satanspet

[quake61]

Originally Posted by Satanspet

ok guys so i just bought my 2000 sunfire and after some extensive work its road worthy but heres the kicker, there is still one problem i can't seem to fix, when i start up the car and put it in gear the day time running light (DTRL), light flickers on the dash a bunch of times then goes into a service light, the headlights at this time also flicker and shut off, i have low and high beems but no DTRL and its sorta frustrating, Ne thoughts? thanks, also i forgot my high beams do not work either... thanks again

Satanspet

the same thing happened to me u have a burnout head lamp

or the relay is burned, but im sure is the lamp burned out

i checked the relay and was ok until i realized was the lamp

check em and lemme know good luck

[Satanspet]

Well I replaced both headlight bulbs - no joy. My parts store does not stock the relay, and I would have to go through the dealer for it. Can you tell me where, and how to check the relay?
THanks again for all your help

Originally Posted by quake61

the same thing happened to me u have a burnout head lamp

or the relay is burned, but im sure is the lamp burned out

i checked the relay and was ok until i realized was the lamp

check em and lemme know good luck

[quake61]

Originally Posted by Satanspet

Well I replaced both headlight bulbs - no joy. My parts store does not stock the relay, and I would have to go through the dealer for it. Can you tell me where, and how to check the relay?
THanks again for all your help

the relay is in the left side of the dashboard

driver side take it out and get an ohmeter and check for continuity

or get 2 wires connect them to the battery negative and positive

and look for the 2 pins in the relay

connect both wires and see if it closses if it does then is not the relay

but after that only a fuse could be

be carefull in the test tho

[Satanspet]

Found the relay - thanks. Have checked it completely as described - it is dead. In fact the lights all act the same without the relay in, as with it in - I am going to visit my GM Dealer tomorrow and hopefully they stock the relay - I am cautiously optomistic that it is the route of this problem. Again many thanks for you help - I will let you know how I make out

[quake61]

Originally Posted by Satanspet

Found the relay - thanks. Have checked it completely as described - it is dead. In fact the lights all act the same without the relay in, as with it in - I am going to visit my GM Dealer tomorrow and hopefully they stock the relay - I am cautiously optomistic that it is the route of this problem. Again many thanks for you help - I will let you know how I make out

good im glad i was of help and yes let me know

[Satanspet]

Originally Posted by quake61

good im glad i was of help and yes let me know

well the relay didn't work either, and this time when i put the part in, it was a little darker and i also noticed that the drivers side headlight is WAY dimmer than the passengers side... that probably ties in with it all also, i am at a loss for ideas at this point, its definatly not the bulbs, fuses, or the relay at this point do u have n e other thoughts?

Thanks

Satanspet

[quake61]

Originally Posted by Satanspet

well the relay didn't work either, and this time when i put the part in, it was a little darker and i also noticed that the drivers side headlight is WAY dimmer than the passengers side... that probably ties in with it all also, i am at a loss for ideas at this point, its definatly not the bulbs, fuses, or the relay at this point do u have n e other thoughts?

Thanks

Satanspet

well now u can go check grounds or the headlamp connector

u using stock lamps? or aftermarket?

if u using aftermarket maybe is getting wires too hot and might be a problem

if not check grounds to make sure they r tight

also check the connectors maybe they melt or they rusted
and not making good contact

sometimes when lights get dimmer is due to lack of ground

lets start from there

[Satanspet]

Originally Posted by quake61

well now u can go check grounds or the headlamp connector

u using stock lamps? or aftermarket?

if u using aftermarket maybe is getting wires too hot and might be a problem

if not check grounds to make sure they r tight

also check the connectors maybe they melt or they rusted
and not making good contact

sometimes when lights get dimmer is due to lack of ground

lets start from there

well i know for sure that atleast 1 ground is bad and that is directly off of the relay, but god knows where that leads, and i am hoping u are god in this case lol cuz i dont really want to rip my dash to pieces or the steering column only to find out it grounds in the engine compartment, do u know off hand where that particular ground leads? example...

relay: 1 1
1 2 1 pin 2 = ground, what i did do test this was gabbeb a copper wire into the socket and with an ohmeter went to what i thought was ground, under the steering wheel more up around the pedals and checked to see if that conection was there, and nothing showed up on the meter, and yes the meter is definatly good. i dunno at this point i'm not exactly an electrician. lol

[quake61]

Originally Posted by Satanspet

well i know for sure that atleast 1 ground is bad and that is directly off of the relay, but god knows where that leads, and i am hoping u are god in this case lol cuz i dont really want to rip my dash to pieces or the steering column only to find out it grounds in the engine compartment, do u know off hand where that particular ground leads? example...

relay: 1 1
1 2 1 pin 2 = ground, what i did do test this was gabbeb a copper wire into the socket and with an ohmeter went to what i thought was ground, under the steering wheel more up around the pedals and checked to see if that conection was there, and nothing showed up on the meter, and yes the meter is definatly good. i dunno at this point i'm not exactly an electrician. lol

well to start is a good thing u found out a ground is faulty

now what u did was good tracing that ground now, dont give up

more electrical test r a pain in the rear, meanning will take some time the first time


if is a ground going to terelay meanning.. the relay has no ground

just get a piece of wire and conect it to any metal

then connect the other side to the relay pin thats supouse to have a ground

see if there is any diference, ( but make sure that relay's pin is supose to have a ground)

ill see if i can get a schematic diagram for u good luck

[quake61]

Originally Posted by quake61

well to start is a good thing u found out a ground is faulty

now what u did was good tracing that ground now, dont give up

more electrical test r a pain in the rear, meanning will take some time the first time


if is a ground going to terelay meanning.. the relay has no ground

just get a piece of wire and conect it to any metal

then connect the other side to the relay pin thats supouse to have a ground

see if there is any diference, ( but make sure that relay's pin is supose to have a ground)

ill see if i can get a schematic diagram for u good luck

look i found the threads doing a search here

look at em and maybe will give u an idea

http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbul...archid=1262990

[Satanspet]

Originally Posted by quake61

look i found the threads doing a search here

look at em and maybe will give u an idea

http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbul...archid=1262990

ok so heres the final verdict, not wanting to tackle a wiring problem, i headed down to teh garage taht has a good rep around here. they had
it for the day to fix wiring and get it saftied, they said in all they replaced 5 coroded wires that were completely shit and they also said someone else before i owned it had done some half assed job fixing them previously. i guess he ran both lights off of the same wire and long story short i get the car tomorrow due to a right tie rod being shit also then shes all mine :P thanks a lot this wont be the last u guys here from me :P

thanks again

Satanspet

[quake61]

Originally Posted by Satanspet

ok so heres the final verdict, not wanting to tackle a wiring problem, i headed down to teh garage taht has a good rep around here. they had
it for the day to fix wiring and get it saftied, they said in all they replaced 5 coroded wires that were completely shit and they also said someone else before i owned it had done some half assed job fixing them previously. i guess he ran both lights off of the same wire and long story short i get the car tomorrow due to a right tie rod being shit also then shes all mine :P thanks a lot this wont be the last u guys here from me :P

thanks again

Satanspet

yw thats why we here ,for feel free to drop in

[z24owner]

Wow, I wish I'd seen your original post earlier. I have a 2001 z-24 that did the EXACT same thing. I just took it to the dealer. (Didn't trust my own ability to find and correct the problem) He found the problem in about one hour. Replaced a wiring harness (about $50) and said that one of the wires was hooked up wrong. My car had been in an accident and had some front end body work done before I bought it.

[quake61]

Originally Posted by z24owner

Wow, I wish I'd seen your original post earlier. I have a 2001 z-24 that did the EXACT same thing. I just took it to the dealer. (Didn't trust my own ability to find and correct the problem) He found the problem in about one hour. Replaced a wiring harness (about $50) and said that one of the wires was hooked up wrong. My car had been in an accident and had some front end body work done before I bought it.

yeah ive seen in this forum so many times that a wiring harness is it to blame

but as we all know we have to make sure all other components r working properly to avoid extra buying of parts

im glad ur problem is fixed see ya laterz