Celica drift or "power slide"

[CelicaGirl]

Ok....so me and my friends have been having this argument about Celicas. So they're front wheel drive as you all know. Now, when you drift in a celica you can pull the e-brake and slide around a corner. Some people like to call that a power slide. My finace has a Celica and he drifts it. Goes through tires like crazy but yea....he likes doing it. He was telling someone about it and they flipped out saying that pull the e-brake isn't drifting. I'm on his side though. I think pulling the e-brake would be considered drifting as long as you intentionally slide. Anyway, let me know what you all think because in my group it's a big issue.

[91 Celica St]

^meh, thers 2 sides of the argument, a "drift"is basiaclly a controlled slide, and you cant really controll the slide in a fwd car, so in essence a fwd car cant drift...but that argument is counter produictive becuase it would mean that awd cars cant "drift" but we all know they can (wehter on pavment in rain or in a rally)

i used to say yes, now i say fwd cant its more of just a semi-controlled slide

[SigmaProjects]

well I wouldn't calling pulling the e-brake a "power slide." Either way it is drifting, but not ideal. You can control a drift in a FWD car, just not 2 consecutively. Once and then you'll need to be normal again. And drifting in a FWD car is almost pointless unless it's a hard hair pin, like 180 degrees, since to controll the drift you have to slow down a lot to hold any line, which defeats the purpose of drifting in the first place in a FWD car, you can tug it out a little so you don't understeer too much, but bleh... FWD cars confuse me... I just like to stick to RWD cars...

[LaYzIeNoY]

from what i have been told in countless dicussion on this same subject of using the e-brake in fwd to drift


alright, it is usually called power sliding, which if you want to be a ass about isn't true drifting

E-brake is a legit technique in drifting though, albeit a lower level move

and yes in a FWD car drifting is mostly for show and fun rather than being helpful, but then again there is the arguement that the loss of traction in any stituation is never the fastest way

[calicelica]

I cant drift wahtsoever using 6gen AT/ST, there was one instance in topanga cyn where I thought I drifted, but actually my wheels lifted!!! this was before I fix my suspension. The slide was too quick and abrupt to control. I attempted e-brake technique only to find that its really hard to do, and it lifts my stock wheel. Scary. Stick w/ MT RWD...or AWD...

[jediracer]

i put in a much thicker and stiffer rear sway bar and i have no more understeer at all. it's all oversteer now. i can drift all day, baby. several people in my car have often exclaimed: 'wow! i've never seen a front wheel drive car do that!'

[jaybratt]

I don't think fwd is really drifting, it is semi controlled sliding. Otherwise pro drifters would use FWD. It is poser drifting unless you have food trays under the back, that is just straight up fun, specially metal ones at night, the spark show is AWESOME!!!

[CelicaGirl]

Originally Posted by jediracer

i put in a much thicker and stiffer rear sway bar and i have no more understeer at all. it's all oversteer now. i can drift all day, baby. several people in my car have often exclaimed: 'wow! i've never seen a front wheel drive car do that!'

ha ha that's awsome

[jediracer]

Originally Posted by jaybratt

I don't think fwd is really drifting, it is semi controlled sliding.

oversteer by definition is drifting, whether you are in a rwd, fwd, or awd car.

i'm pretty sure all the guys on the d1 circut use rwd, but there is that one guy who drifts an automatic el camino (bubba drift).

[SigmaProjects]

Originally Posted by LaYzIeNoY

from what i have been told in countless dicussion on this same subject of using the e-brake in fwd to drift


alright, it is usually called power sliding, which if you want to be a ass about isn't true drifting

E-brake is a legit technique in drifting though, albeit a lower level move

and yes in a FWD car drifting is mostly for show and fun rather than being helpful, but then again there is the arguement that the loss of traction in any stituation is never the fastest way

Using the E-brake for drifting is very common, if you watch D1 drivers you can see them lock up the rears sometimes and you can even see the rally drivers pull it for corrections. There is nothing low level about utilizing the rear brakes. For initiating, yes, it's not as a skilled technique as weight shifting, but still. FWD cars can do a single drift. Not saying they are great machines or even good ones for drifting, but for a single one movement drift they can do something.

[Rossie]

I thought power sliding is using the torque of the rear wheels to overpower the grip of the tires?

[silviaracer]

i'm a nissan guy i was going through here because i was thinking about getting a celica for a rain/snow car and sence my 240 does'nt run ( blown turbo ). Any way i'm not really a drifting crazed person but if you go onto a nissan site this is a common talked about thing. They way i view it its not technically "drifting". Drifting in my view is when the rear tires break loose and you control the car through a slide or whatever it may be. In drifting you sometimes use the e-brake really quick to stop the wheels fast then slam on the gas which makes them loose traction. fwd cannot do this sence the rear wheels arn't really powered the front are. I would say its just a slide because thats all your really doing is locking up the rear wheels and they skid across the ground. So the way i see it its not drifting by any means.

and please don't go any place and say its drifting because if there are "drifters" there you will get flamed extreamly bad. as i expect you all to flame me : ) when i get motivated to put my turbo on i'll post you guys a video of drifting and i'm looking at 90 celica gt it has 174k on it from what i hear these are good cars and reliable engines it jsut had a bunch of stuff done to it do these engines see past 200k nicely?

[jediracer]

Originally Posted by silviaracer

Drifting in my view is when the rear tires break loose and you control the car through a slide or whatever it may be.

Exactly. It's called "oversteer," as I stated:

Originally Posted by jediracer

oversteer by definition is drifting, whether you are in a rwd, fwd, or awd car.

Originally Posted by silviaracer

fwd cannot do this sence the rear wheels arn't really powered the front are. I would say its just a slide because thats all your really doing is locking up the rear wheels and they skid across the ground. So the way i see it its not drifting by any means.

Wrong. Oversteer can occur in a rwd, fwd, or awd car. As I mentioned above, I have a thicker/stiffer rear swaybar, and I get hella oversteer (aka "drift"). Before I installed the thicker/stiffer rear swaybar, I would get a lot of understeer (aka "push").

If the rear tires approach their traction limit more rapidly than the front, then the effect is for the rear of the car to steer a wider path than the front wheels. This rotates the car more than the driver intended and, if nothing is done, leads to the car turning a smaller radius corner. When this occurs the car is said to oversteer, or drift. Doesn't matter if it's a a rwd, fwd, or awd car.

[SigmaProjects]

ok... everyone can argue all day. Difting is just a controlled slide. Doesn't mean they are going through a coner faster or slower, just mean it's a controlled slide. And instead of me trying to explain to a bunch of people who haven't even drifted before, here. You can't tell me this isn't drifting.
http://videos.streetfire.net/Player....8935556436&p=0

[lilsteeg]

i think that a fwd car cant drift well because u really cant controll all the wheels,but they can drift just not as well as a rwd car, in a rwd car you controll the front wheels by steering and the back wheels by the gas and clutch, but using the ebrake is drifting pro drifters do it all the time to make it more dramatic with more smoke