Bike comparison R1 - GSXR1000

[Phat Ride]

Hey guys I would like to thank you for posting that new rider tips thread it was very helpful in spring when I bought my first bike. I have a Ninja 500R and i've had it for a season but i'm getting very bored with it... I take alot of passengers and it just doesn't have any juice. Tops out with a passenger at like 180 KM. I'm looking at an R1 or a GSXR1000... does anyone have any segestions for me as to which bike handles better.

Thanx
Rob

[badboyz]

Originally Posted by Phat Ride

Hey guys I would like to thank you for posting that new rider tips thread it was very helpful in spring when I bought my first bike. I have a Ninja 500R and i've had it for a season but i'm getting very bored with it... I take alot of passengers and it just doesn't have any juice. Tops out with a passenger at like 180 KM. I'm looking at an R1 or a GSXR1000... does anyone have any segestions for me as to which bike handles better.

Thanx
Rob

i have been a bike rider for many years,in my opinion going from a 500 to a gsx-r 1000 is a very big jump, if you want a bike with a lot of juice try the new 2006 or 2005 gsx-r 600r,talk about a lot of power 0-60 2.9 sec, top speed of around 165-170mph, now there are a few little things that you can do to make a little faster. new pipes, bigger carbs and of course the vance n hienz black box. that will give you unlimited rev, which will keep your bike from shutting down at 12500 rpm. you can get about another 10-15 mph by doing these things. another plus to this bike is that it is about 110-130lbs lighter that the 1000. there is a big differance in handling as well.test drive the 600 before making up your mind it will be worth your time.

[Z_Fanatic]

I would pick up an older 600 first if I were you, don't make the mistake of jumping to the liter, it's handful to handle. And 600s have tons of power to begin with.

Originally Posted by badboyz

i have been a bike rider for many years,in my opinion going from a 500 to a gsx-r 1000 is a very big jump, if you want a bike with a lot of juice try the new 2006 or 2005 gsx-r 600r,talk about a lot of power 0-60 2.9 sec, top speed of around 165-170mph, now there are a few little things that you can do to make a little faster. new pipes, bigger carbs and of course the vance n hienz black box. that will give you unlimited rev, which will keep your bike from shutting down at 12500 rpm. you can get about another 10-15 mph by doing these things. another plus to this bike is that it is about 110-130lbs lighter that the 1000. there is a big differance in handling as well.test drive the 600 before making up your mind it will be worth your time.

I know your intentions are good to offer someone an advice, but what are you talking about?? Why would FI bikes need carbs? And even at that, how would you fit bigger carbs on a bike that already has carbs? What is vance and hines black box?? 2006 Gixxer 600 isn't even out yet. How do you get unlimited rev?? Even if you take off the rev-limiter, which is pointless, it wouldn't do squatt for peak hosepower. Bikes today are redlining at 16.5K, not 12.5K. You wouldn't get 170 mph out of any stock 600s. And it is even for mind boggling to add 10-15 mph top speed by just doing simple mods. A 600CC is 110-130 lbs lighter than 1000??

[Kurtdg19]

Phat Ride I would definately be careful about buying a new liter bike. They have around three times the amount of power that your bike has while probably weighting around the same. A new 600 wouldn't be to bad, but it will still have gobs of power compared to your 500. The new 600s push over 100hp to the wheels, so your looking at about 120hp at the crank (which is about twice the amount of power of your bike at the same weight).

Even if that isn't as much (which it will be), you can always plan on doing simple upgrades after you become more aquanted with it such as a full exhaust, better air filter, and a chip (power commander) that will not only give you an extra 10hp, but help immensely with your powerband. That or you could always resort to the cheapest upgrade for acceleration, changing sprockets which usually runs around $130 or so. If you go that way, I would buy a new chain in the process. I really don't think you want to get over your head and jump straight to a new liter bike.

And yea bad boy, I'm not entirely sure that everything you said is correct. Like Z said, new bikes don't have carbs. That and liter bikes weight right in the same ballpark as the 600s. Thats why they are satan on wheels

[sv650s]

you real brave but jumpin from a 500r to a liter bike is just plain suicide. even with a 600 you have to be real light on the throttle because the gixxer series, cbr's, yzf's are 4 cylinder pure bred for racing bikes, those engines are made to get the most horsepower possible to the wheels. if you're just looking for a sportbike i'm thinking a 94-97 cbr 600 f.

[tran_nsx]

if i was riding a 500 and wanted an upgraded, but at the same time don't want to get bored of it any time soon, a gsx-r 750 would the trick. im not going to say don't go buy a liter bike cause it has tons of power that u can't handle. personally, a lot of it is about throttle control, and since u've been riding for a while, u got some experience under ur belt. i've known guys who got a 600cc or less for thier first bike and crash, however, i've also known guys who started on liter bikes and never went down, go figure. maybe u can borrow a friends liter bike and see how it feels. still, just be careful.

[Z_Fanatic]

in all honestly, does the average rider really need a literbike? it doesn't make you any faster as a rider (and sometimes makes you even slow if you're reflex can't keep up with the power). the only thing about is as a rider, it makes the person lazy on the street, there's good amount of torque down low, less shifting, and effortless wheelies (could be good or bad). but there's plenty complications, like headshake, spinning up the rear, unwanted wheelies. just overkill about anywhere. if you can't use a 600 to a good potential in the street or at the track, 1000 won't make you any faster except the straights. in that case, might as well get a Busa.

people mostly pick one up because literbikes probably looks better compared to 600, and well has power... sort of a penis envy thing.

newbs are able to mainly survive on them because they live on the land of freeways and endless straights, like here in Florida. throw in that curve and come out of it with a dignified speed, no pussyfooting... and it's a highside for them.

[Phat Ride]

That was really quick... you guys have to do more riding and less talking LOL. Thank you for all the advice, the only reason i want to go big is because I don't want to buy any more bikes and my buddies told me it would be fine... I wanted a GSXR 750 but i'm afraid of getting bored to soon. In all your answers no one actually answered my question. Is there a big difference between those two bikes? I may go with a zx7r or a gsxr 750 still i would just like to know the difference between the R1 and the gsxr1000. I guess i'll know when i test drive them but if someone could help me out with that it would be nice.

[Z_Fanatic]

get a NOS-injected turbo'd Busa then. and then some fins for downforce. some decals would do the trick too, it'll add 20 HP no doubt.

there's no difference between two bikes in terms of performance, at least none that average rider will notice. they're both hella fast and quick.

[Phat Ride]

Thank you, I appreciate everyones input but honestly thats all i was looking for... you don't know how I ride so don't tell me to buy a 94 600... i'll be buying a new bike in a week... i htink a 750 or a 10000 would be good... i can eas into it

[tran_nsx]

Originally Posted by Phat Ride

Thank you, I appreciate everyones input but honestly thats all i was looking for... you don't know how I ride so don't tell me to buy a 94 600... i'll be buying a new bike in a week... i htink a 750 or a 10000 would be good... i can eas into it

just want to say good luck with ur purchase and what ever u buy, hope it won't bored u anytime soon. try the 750 first though, similar weight and handling of a 600 with power similar to a 1000. as far as the difference between the r1 and the gsx-r 1000, yes they both are lightning quick, but they are some small differences. one of them is that the r1's has a taller first gear. this could be good, this could be bad, but for most people, they didn't seem to enjoy staying it. the gixxer was voted the best bike for the track right out of the box for 2005 becuase of its handling, power, transmission, and other reasons i can't recall off the top of my head. there is another option if u are new to the liter bikes, the cbr 1000rr. it was voted the best liter sportbike for beginners for numerous reasons. some are the hesd steering dampener, and suspension which helps to give the rider confidence, and its powerband is linear so there isn't any abrupt power rush, just smooth straight power. the problem why the testers didn't enjoy it as much was that it felt almost too tamed compared to the other sportbikes.

[tran_nsx]

here i found the link to the test of the liter bikes. this should help. they even have videos of each bike on the right of the page, i didn't notice that till later. definately a must read if ur want to find out the differences.
http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/Articl...ID=2086&Page=1

[Aces0vr8s]

ok i have a question 180 kmh with a pasanger did anyone notice this dude if you wanna suicide dont do it with an innocent person on the back jesus your a complete moron

on that note i suggest you get a HUGE ass bottle of juice like youd put in a car and bolt it to the passanger seat so you definatly dont run out then no one else has to die from your stupidity

hey if you need help ill come over and hook it up for you even dont worry ill bring you a set of training wheels too and some of those "|v|@<| |>|-|@+ |)E(@|$" (for us inteligent people "Mad Phat Decals") that add the 20 horses to your busa (btw i really hope you get a turbo charged juiced and most importantly decalled busa!) also can we see a video of your mad skills at the track o...wait....no track time is that what you say only 100+ mph runs on the freeway! evading cops and helicopters and dodgeing bullets from the snipers while the evil dark wizards cast time lapse spells so you slow down but your insanely "phat" riding skills and all the super horse power addin decals mow through the time lapse like it wasnt even there so the dragons swooping down to scoop you up cant catch you....o wait you get the picture....FOOL

Oh wow a 10000 huh who puts that bike out dude thatd be sick you should get that and hook the nos up to it with the twin turbos hells yeah!

what kind of a moron tops out a bike with a passenger? what if they leaned the wrong way jesus people make me sick this is why my insurance is out the roof on the sport bike atleast now i can think hmm atleast my insane insurance rate is helping rid the gene pool of stupidity

also i will guarantee you that you will never ever run a 600 to its max 1 year your no where even close to running a 600 at its full potential corner at perfection etc etc all you are is a noobie trying to make up for mistakes with raw power get back in your cage and stay off the bikes

[Aces0vr8s]

on a more plesant note when you crash and die dont expect any sorrow coming from me RIP

[tran_nsx]

Originally Posted by Z_Fanatic

newbs are able to mainly survive on them because they live on the land of freeways and endless straights, like here in Florida. throw in that curve and come out of it with a dignified speed, no pussyfooting... and it's a highside for them.

that could be one explanation since u live in florida, but it wouldn't be mine. from what i've seen, new guys with liter bikes haven't gone down because they know they have a liter bike which of course demand respect, so they kinda do everything carefully. on the other hand, the guys with the 600s gets use to the power and feel of the bike and in a week or two they get too cocky and confident, this is when these guys go down.