3000gt vr-4 all wheel steering

[compaqpunch]

I'm srry if this is a stupid question but it is listen on several adds on cars.com that the vr-4 is all wheel steering. Is this true and if it is why have i not heard of it?

[talskinyguy]

My question is how have you not heard of it.

[4DSC]

It's a feature on some performance cars like the VR-4, 300ZX, Skyline, etc. that helps the car make a sharper turn or aids in maneuvering. You pretty much won't actually see the wheels turning before your eyes, but they slightly do turn. Just google it, and you'll get a way better explanation on it.

[talskinyguy]

offtopic

4 door sports car? Is there such a thing? Or did you just make that up? Just an FYI, a maxima is a sedan.

[Stealthee]

I think you found a new oxymoron.

[Linebckr49]

what about the WRX? EVO? maybe you might call them the metro-sports car!

[talskinyguy]

WRX, EVO? What about them? Subaru, Mitsubishi, and I all call them four-door sedans.

Hell camaros and mustangs arent even sports cars, but at least they are close so I can understand the confusion with those.

[compaqpunch]

Its just that i guess i never seen any posts on here about the vr-4 being 4 wheel steering, and in pics you deff can't tell. Hey you learn something new every day.

[Linebckr49]

most people don't even mention it b/c the 4WS doesn't actually do THAT much. its only effective at speeds over about 30mph, and only when taking broad corners or weaving in and out. but i bet most people wouldn't even be able to feel the added benefits (if any) of the 4WS on top of the AWD.

a lot of people just remove the 4WS system altogether to save weight. the rear wheels only turn 1.5 degrees in phase with the front wheels...that's a miniscule amount!

so basically 4WS is just for sounding cool and technical

[93_R/T_TT_Stealth]

Originally Posted by talskinyguy

offtopic

4 door sports car? Is there such a thing? Or did you just make that up? Just an FYI, a maxima is a sedan.

I do believe i have seen where that is from...
i think its refuring to the Nissan maxima i think i have seen that eched on the rear door windows... on the older 90's

[xXxRocker5150]

I think HICAS which was nissan's AWS system was offered on their 240sx's at some point as well... just an FYI

[4DSC]

Originally Posted by talskinyguy

offtopic

4 door sports car? Is there such a thing? Or did you just make that up? Just an FYI, a maxima is a sedan.

Sorry for the late reply.. Forgot to subscribe. Hope you get to read this to help your confusion.

Anyway, a 4 door sports car AKA 4DSC is the 92-94 Nissan Maxima SE with the 5spd featuring VLSD and the one and only.. VE30DE powerplant. Sport tuned suspension including a rear independant suspension not found on most mustangs/camaros that you seem to find "closer" to sports car status. I also don't need to tell you that these "sedans" have an excellent drag coefficient of .32. Please don't compare my car with the later crap thats been coming out bestowed with the same name. And your right, it is a sedan, but I don't get the point of that statement. You tryin to be funny? I'll be funny too.. Define sports car please. Your first and second attempts above were obviosly pretty pathetic

Edit: If you doubt the performance of a properly modded VE-5spd, I really do think you should give one a chance on the twisties or do some research before making bold statements like the one above. Also, please find me any sports sedan in that time frame or even in later years to come that can give this car a run for it's money in stock form. Other then the 3 series on road courses or Ford SHO at the strip of course. If you care so much about where the term "4DSC" came from, go ask BMW.. Some say they were the ones who gave the name to the 3rd gen Maxima when they found out what a threat it helled for the king of sport sedans..

[talskinyguy]

Wow, just wow.

But ok Ill run with it.

So you have a LSD, and 5 speed, and 3 liters pumping out a massive 190hp to work with.....sounds fun......

Rear independant suspension........drag racers dont like them, solid axles are better for the application. IRS is good for somethings, Solid axles are good for some things.

Wow you have a drag coefficient of .32. ROCK ON, For comparison, Nissan's G35 is 0.27, the base Z-car is 0.30, the Maxima is 0.32, and the QX45 SUV is 0.35. Mercedes says the majority of its passenger cars have drag coefficients between 0.27 and 0.32, and the M-Class SUV is 0.34.
Yes I know the 3000GT's are 0.34, but I dont really care, as my vr4 did 160 stock. How fast does your car go?

Was I trying to be funny? No I was funny, it just turned out that you and your car were the butt of the joke.

sports car: noun.
An automobile equipped for racing, especially an aerodynamically shaped one-passenger or two-passenger vehicle having a low center of gravity and steering and suspension designed for precise control at high speeds.
Is your car a 1 or 2 seater?

I dont doubt the performance of a properly modded anything. That is the most vauge term to describe a car. I do doubt that it will hold a candle to any real sports car.

Ill give you a chance in the twistys. If I wanted a car that handled well I would buy one that did, and not a grand touring car. Or I could just mod my car till it handled well. My tein coil overs, 275 tires, and low center of gravity made my car handle like it was on rails. I doubt your "sports car" would be able to keep up with the grand touring AWD 500+hp car I had.

You want me to find a car that performed better for the price, and then go on to exclude a couple cars? Thats just being stupid. Ill choose those two cars as my examples.

So you want me to ask BMW about a rumor you heard over some cars that over 10 years old?

[Linebckr49]

well said, talskiny

4SDC...

[4DSC]

Originally Posted by talskinyguy

So you have a LSD, and 5 speed, and 3 liters pumping out a massive 190hp to work with.....sounds fun......

It's plenty of fun. Probably just as fun as a car that puts out only about a hundred hp more that weighs close to 800 pounds more when you include the driver. Good one.

VE-5spd: 3165
VR-4: 3780 (Thats just sad for a car not putting that much to the wheels. When you compare it to other Jap sports cars, this car really sucks, and theres no denying it. At least my car is one of the best in it's class, and there isn't a Dodge copy of me running around. The engine in my car is one of a kind, that was designed just for my trim and wasn't made for anything ever again. Only 3 yrs in production. )

Originally Posted by talskinyguy

Rear independant suspension........drag racers dont like them, solid axles are better for the application. IRS is good for somethings, Solid axles are good for some things.

Yeah, and the world doesn't revolve around drag racing. Majority of "sports cars" have what type of suspension? Please do tell since you seem to be the expert on telling people if they have a sports car or not. Seems my "sedan" falls under that suspension type.

Originally Posted by talskinyguy

Wow you have a drag coefficient of .32. ROCK ON, For comparison, Nissan's G35 is 0.27, the base Z-car is 0.30, the Maxima is 0.32, and the QX45 SUV is 0.35. Mercedes says the majority of its passenger cars have drag coefficients between 0.27 and 0.32, and the M-Class SUV is 0.34.

Mercedes must have some good aerodynamic passenger cars then. It's interesting that you mention them having 0.27 to 0.32, since their top sports cars have *ahem* 0.37(SLR)

Originally Posted by talskinyguy

Yes I know the 3000GT's are 0.34, but I dont really care, as my vr4 did 160 stock. How fast does your car go?

I've hit 140+ but had to pull off, and I am completely bone stock. On my forums(maxima.org), many have maxed out around 150. And I assure that we get there pretty fast. A good referance to that would be the fact that 92-94 SE's with the 5spd had an option for V rated tires. Those are good for 149mph last time I checked. Surprised for a car with a "fun" 190hp to work with, eh? The VE has incredible top end power not matched by the later more popular VQ, which is why I told you to do some research first before throwin out crap about a type of car that you seem to have no clue about except the name. So tell me, how does it feel to have the same drag as an SUV at 160mph?

Originally Posted by talskinyguy

Was I trying to be funny? No I was funny, it just turned out that you and your car were the butt of the joke.

Funny in what way? Poor attempt at humor if you think about it, when you lack the knowledge of what you are butting jokes about. You said a Maxima is sedan for my information, so is an Evo for yours. You have to be a complete if you don't think thats a sports car.

Originally Posted by talskinyguy

sports car: noun.
An automobile equipped for racing, especially an aerodynamically shaped one-passenger or two-passenger vehicle having a low center of gravity and steering and suspension designed for precise control at high speeds.
Is your car a 1 or 2 seater?

Sounds like you wrote that yourself for this argument. Referance please? Kidding, seems like you got it from dictionary.com but I'll give you not one definition, but 2 def. with referances that are both open and not restricted to having a "sedan" fall under their catagories. Enjoy...

"In many situations, the term "sports car" is used to refer to any car with more power or performance than is typical for cars in general. Often vehicles in the muscle car, performance sedan/saloon or grand tourer (GT) category are referred to as sports cars even though they tend to lack the light weight and excellent handling characteristics of a true sports car."

Last time I checked, there was nothing stopping the BMW 3 series from being considered a true sports car, and in turn the 1992-94' 3rd generation Nissan Maxima SE 5 speed manual competes perfectly with one. I don't need to add either that the 3 series wasn't heavy, had excellent handling and definatly had the characteristics of a true sports car. I suggest you all read the full definition inside the link to better understand the generalized garbage floating around.

"Most modern cars use front wheel drive (FF) where the engine is in the front and drives the front wheels. Some sports cars have this layout (e.g. Lotus Elan M100, Fiat Coupé, Fiat Barchetta, Saab Sonett...), but due to its conservative effect on handling, it is not typical in higher-performance models."

The 3rd gen Maxima has this layout as well last time I checked.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sports_car

Next..

"a small low car with a high-powered engine; usually seats two persons"

And usually doesn't mean always.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&l...ine:sports+car

Originally Posted by talskinyguy

I dont doubt the performance of a properly modded anything. That is the most vauge term to describe a car.

Then why buy a car that weighs too much for it's own good, and mainly created to showcase technology rather then to put it to good use? You know it's true. Don't get me wrong man, I love the VR-4, especially it's looks. Believe it or not, it's on my top 3 of the most beautiful cars ever made list(the ones with the samurai eyes in red ). Amazing looking car, and I love all that technology they packed into it, except it weighs so much, it gets left behind by the competition. And in every Gran Turismo game I've played, this car really sucks. Handles pretty good, but kinda slow pick up after 80mph and feels like a boat at times when it takes too long to change direction with driver input. Hands down though, this car is so amazing in looks, technology, and spirit, I am really considering of purchasing one later on.

Originally Posted by talskinyguy

I do doubt that it will hold a candle to any real sports car.

Ignorance like that is most likely why there isn't much of an aftermarket for my car. Very sad. The guy who fabricates our seriose suspension mods has proved one too many times that our cars can turn and brake alongside some seriose performance cars.

Originally Posted by talskinyguy

Ill give you a chance in the twistys. If I wanted a car that handled well I would buy one that did, and not a grand touring car. Or I could just mod my car till it handled well. My tein coil overs, 275 tires, and low center of gravity made my car handle like it was on rails. I doubt your "sports car" would be able to keep up with the grand touring AWD 500+hp car I had.

Definatly not, but gimme a twisty track, some Eibachs over Konis, some suspension tweaking, 245 slicks all around, 275 fwhp with 8psi of boost, 13" rotors with 4 piston calipers in front(forgot the size we put on rears), my low center of gravity, your 0.34 drag, my 0.32 drag, and you will surely think twice about your first comment in this thread. Remember, Im not saying that I would own, but it would definatly open your eyes without a doubt about your issue with sedans not being sports cars. After that, I'll show you how roomy my 4DSC is, and brag how much less I spent.

I have a feeling I'll be flamed for the 275 fwhp on a Maxima by you goobers, so heres the referance. http://forums.maxima.org/showthread....highlight=Tune The link inside that thread leads to a video for a dyno where he isn't running as much psi as he is now, where he is also untuned.

Originally Posted by talskinyguy

You want me to find a car that performed better for the price, and then go on to exclude a couple cars? Thats just being stupid. Ill choose those two cars as my examples.

Thats not being stupid. Thats me proving my point, and you showing your ignorance yet again and avoiding the question as these cars were all nearly identical in performance compared to my car. My 4DSC handled just as good as the 3 series but was faster, and the SHO beat the Maxima by no more then like a fraction of a second in the 1/4, but in the end was a Ford with a Yamaha engine and couldn't handle as well. Probably woulda pulled on that sucker on top end anyway. Again, please find me a car in that class other then those 2 cars, that out performed the VE 5spd. Definatly wasn't the Camry or Accord in V6 trim. Talk about best looking, originality, and timeless design as well.

Originally Posted by talskinyguy

So you want me to ask BMW about a rumor you heard over some cars that over 10 years old?

I didn't mean that literally, but sure why not?

Anyway, your argument on the matter is a stereotypical one, and in the end holds no true meaning because you were assuming just because it's a "Maxima" it's not what the 4DSC logo means.

Originally Posted by Linebckr49

well said, talskiny

4SDC...

Yeah, that makes sense.