The Welfare System

[TheMan5952]

Do you think that the United States should have welfare for people that make under a certain Income per year?

[texan]

Yes, of course that system needs other qualifications than just yearly income. Which is a much more complex issue I don't want to get into here .

Of other note, I also think we should have nationalized health care and a social security system, a democratic government's 1st priority should be to serving it's people. I am often amazed at the fact the most powerful, richest country in the world cannot offer all of it's own people health care, when much lesser (lesser meaning smaller and not as wealthy) countries can. Of course we just recently started trying to balance the budget, a feat the average 16 yr old can perform on his checkbook but evidently not the average politician (kinda makes you wonder).

[Lizard King]

I'm not sure about how the medical system works in the US. I know you need insurance.

In the UK we have the NHS but it pretty much sucks. People die waiting for treatment or because of lack of funding. People die of infections in hospital (more than normal) and corners are cut. There seems to be another problem in the news every week.

Despite lacking free healthcare, America still has a higher life expectancy and better cure rates than most countries - including the UK.

[TheMan5952]

Yea, now they set a Limit on how many years you can be on Welfare, I think it's 5 years in your entire adult life then there no more money for you. They at least provide Government Job placement assitance.

What me and and my friends family were discussing was that if you earn below the certain amount needed per person in household to sufficently support, is that they should X amount on to your paycheck to have you meet it.

Scenario: Say your a Single mom with 2 children. You make $12,000 a year working at McDonalds, but it requires $19,000 a year to support her and her children. We think the government should give the $7,000/yr to meet the requirement. Instead of giving a full $19,000. And if they are un employed for more then a certain amount of time, they don't get welfare any more.

Because what it seems that most people do is Live off welfare instead of getting a job, because they make more on welfare, then at a actually job. This forces them to work, which gives a good impression on there childeren instead of seeing there parents never at work, they see them working hard to get money and try to support them. They learn that you need to get a job and not realy on others to take of them.


What do you guys think of that?

[Moppie]

NZ has always been a great welfare country, and to some extent it still is, but the social costs are starting to show up in some major ways, and its becoming harder and harder to ween a large segment of the population off being welfare dependant. I have a lot more to say on this, but I'll save it for tomorow when I have some time to sit down and right it out properly.

[TheMan5952]

Yea, there are loop holes to everything. There are ways my Idea would work, and ways it wouldn't. I think that in order to be able to recive welfare you should be in Low-Income housing already and see if you can make it with out welfare. If not then you should be able to recive X amount of money to bring you to the minimum requirements of living.

[dre]

I feel that one requirement for welfare should be temporary sterilization. It should be setup so that you go down to get your welfare check, and before they give it to you, you get a shot or some form of birth control.
Having children is a burden on most people's budget, and doing this would help welfare recipients to get back on their feet again financially.

[TheMan5952]

yea, but I think thats just a little illegal to require someone to be sterile just to recive welfare.

[Jay!]

I think you should need a license before you can have kids anyway. But I don't think the U.S. government should be in charge of who gets them. I don't know who I'd trust with that. But, I'm off the topic a bit.

[dre]

TheMan- then we need to change the laws. Notice also, I said Temporary sterilization....
But, I understand how the word sterilization can kind of hit people a certain way.....maybe 'Mandatory Birth Control' would be a better term.

[gang$tarr]

I think here in canada the healthcare system is good

and my opinion on welfare is that everyone on welfare is a bum....

because those people didn't work hard early in life, we have to pay for their mistakes

[TheMan5952]

I still don't think that mandatiry birth control would go over well with the Americn population, espcially with the people on Welfare. plus I belive it a little un ethical

[gang$tarr]

there's no need for manditory birth control here

i think there is a need for it in china..... but it's still sooo wrong, i wouldn't do it, i don't think it's right

[vettemaan]

the mormons wouldnt be to happy with that!

[Sleepy]

i think if your giving people money then they sould have to abid by certain rules of the goverment its like when your young and live with your parents and they tell you this is my roof and when you live here were in charge the welfare system in america is totally screwed up when a women can keep having children to make more money and can live in rent controlled housing but some how manage to drive a new car and have a sh*t load of jewerly i worked at a grocery store when i was 16 and the kind of shit you see people buy with food stamps is insane they eat better then i do i agree with the statment of forced birth control i also think there should be mandorty drug testing and a maxamim amout of time a person is able to be on welfare
thats just what i think
sleepy