Turbo Civic vs Motor Swap Civic

[flip888]

I was looking at the modified civics in autotrader today and got to thinking, what would be faster (in the 1/4 mile or auto-x), a civic with a motor swap or a turbo civic?

I have a friend who swears that his 96 (i think) turbo stock motor civ would kill any h22 b16 and b18 civic on the street but ive personaly had and have seen some close races between another friends h22 civ and some pretty pewerful cars so i dont know.

The main reason i ask is because i plan on buying one here in a few months, and i want to buy one that has already been pre-modded.

The ones im looking at are
96 sedan with a t3/t4 (from a guy i know)
95 hatch with a GSR motor
95 h22a1 vtec hatch
93 b18c hatch,
92 hatchback b16a2 civic
92 crx b20 ls vtec
92 hatch si turbo(i dont know what kind of turbo)
91 hatch with a h22
and a 89 crx with a ZC motor

So assuming the motor swap civics had not much more than e/h/i done to them and the turbo civics were running on stock internals, and none of them were gutted what ones do you think would be faster, more reliable, more fun, and better mpg and also what has more potential for if i do modify it more myself?


*i posted this in other forum to see if i will get more responses*
and i did do a search before hand

[civickiller]

dont post in more than once

[flip888]

ok sorry
but why not?

[iVteC_PoWeR]

No matter what if you have f/i your reliability goes down the drain...and if you do want a car thats already been modded keep in mind that they have probably been driven pretty hard...now about the thing with stock turbo civic...that stock motor that comes in the civics are all sohc(besides 99-00 Si) so I would recommend a motor swap over a turbo D series...remember you can always turbo a B series which will result in more power than the D series...with your friend and his turbo sohc hes pretty stupid to think that he can kill any H22 or GSR swapped civic on the street...a turbo GSR hatch would rape the shit out of his little sohc...

[97integrals]

Originally Posted by iVteC_PoWeR

No matter what if you have f/i your reliability goes down the drain...with your friend and his turbo sohc hes pretty stupid to think that he can kill any H22 or GSR swapped civic on the street

Where do you get your information?

[iVteC_PoWeR]

Originally Posted by 97integrals

Where do you get your information?

Im saying even if you build a turbo car with rebuilt internals and everything its still not going to be as reliable as it once was...about the other part his friend has the STOCK '96 civic motor which means thats the sohc motor...he turbocharged that and claims he can beat any h22 b16 or GSR swapped civic...

[97integrals]

Originally Posted by iVteC_PoWeR

Im saying even if you build a turbo car with rebuilt internals and everything its still not going to be as reliable as it once was...about the other part his friend has the STOCK '96 civic motor which means thats the sohc motor...he turbocharged that and claims he can beat any h22 b16 or GSR swapped civic...

A turbocharged vehicle if put together right can be just as reliable as stock. It will require more up keep, but can be just as reliable as a stock car. And he probably can beat most swapped h22's and gsr's. A
conservative turbo set-up on a sohc would put down around 250whp. That is more than enough to beat any h22 or gsr from Honda.

[iVteC_PoWeR]

Originally Posted by 97integrals

A turbocharged vehicle if put together right can be just as reliable as stock. It will require more up keep, but can be just as reliable as a stock car. And he probably can beat most swapped h22's and gsr's. A
conservative turbo set-up on a sohc would put down around 250whp. That is more than enough to beat any h22 or gsr from Honda.

Now thats assuming that the H22 or GSR swapped civic is about stock because lets say a built GSR turbo civic comes...then what will happen...

[97integrals]

Originally Posted by iVteC_PoWeR

Now thats assuming that the H22 or GSR swapped civic is about stock because lets say a built GSR turbo civic comes...then what will happen...

Yes but none of the swaps he mentioned are turbo. The point of the thread is to help him decide if he should buy a turbo sohc or a civic w/ a n/a swap.

[iVteC_PoWeR]

O yea sorry I kind of went off topic, but if you have the money then get a swap...if not and you want fast power get a turbo for the sohc...

[CivicSpoon]

Build up the d16z6 and turbo the hell out of it. That is the cheapest route to get a lot of power. Blocks, heads, and transmissions are a dime a dozen, parts are cheap and plentiful (if you figure out where they're hiding on the net).

[CR50HC]

I've seen a super fast Turbo DOHC "D" Series ZC.

[lamehonda]

No offense, but stock NA hondas aren't that that fast until they are turboed. Turbos own all motor when it comes to honda.

[londa hover]

i have a civic eg dx (d15b7)no vtec i jsut put a t25 turbo on (extremely small)w/hx mani,dsm bov,dsm side mount,and i tuned it with crome, and it made 175whp on wastegate(7.5psi??) and 227whp@14psi the motor is bone stock, even stock injectors! keep in mind that this car comes with 103bhp.
Im into the whole turbo kit $350! im into the hole car $2550! I'm running it at the track this friday.

[lamehonda]

Let us know what you run in this thread. Wouldn't be surprised by mid to low 15s.