Stirring up some debate...

[tenguzero]

In respect to my other post about NASA's plans for an "Apollo on steroids" mission planned for 2018 (as well as the fact that I'm kind of a space junky) I'm posting this link as well, since I'm one of the "on the fence" people as to whether or not the whole moon landing 30+ years ago was farce.

http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk/cosmicapollo.html

I have some questions of my own, like HOW, if the flag was blowing around so much in the infamous "wind" video, did the feather simply float to the ground in the hammer/feather test. It seems to me, that if the kind of winds apparent in the video of the flag were happening on the Moon, the feather would have practically blown away when it was dropped, and yet, while the flag is blowing around like crazy, how come we're also told that the footprints will never disappear because "there's no water or WIND on the Moon"?

At any rate, do you think it was faked? If it was indeed real, then how come it's going to take NASA another 13 + years from TODAY to get back there? I would think such an undertaking accomplished 30 years ago -- SEVERAL times successfully -- could be busted out again today with little problem. There is just so much inherent difficulty in space exploration, that even with the full government backing, it's hard to believe the technology and abilities of 30 years ago were up to the task. Why, if the Saturn 5 platform was so successful in accomplishing the myriad tasks NASA utilized it for decades ago, did they instead turn to the shuttle program? It's been far more costly, and has cost us more astronaut lives.

The bottom line is (and as much a believer as I am, I sympathize with the skeptics on this) it took us a little less than a decade to go from our first satellite, to men and machines on the moon at a time when our technological pinnacle saw us with computers the equivalent of a mere pocket calculator today -- and took an entire air conditioned room to run properly! And yet STILL we managed to soundly beat the Russians to the moon, and at that point they had been ahead of us in every way. And how, if we DID manage to get to the moon, did the astronauts manage to survive the radiation assault from a massive wide-open fusion reactor with a volume equivalent to 1,300,000 Earth's? I don't care how advanced NASA was -- those space suits just don't seem capable of handling that. And how did they survive in a cabin sharing close quarters with those suits that had just been completely engulfed in such intense radiation? Keep in mind, all of the EVAs (Extra Vehicular Activity) done for things like the Hubble and the ISS have all been done while still essenially within the protection of Earth's magnetic shield.

Could NASA, an agency that has lost numerous probes sent to Mars, the crews of two space shuttles on routine missions, and struggles to address a comparably simple problem like faulty insulation actually have succeeded in placing several different groups of men and equipment on the Moon 30 YEARS AGO?

Your feelings?

[YogsVR4]

The moon landings were not faked. http://pirlwww.lpl.arizona.edu/~jscotti/NOT_faked/


The time it'll take to get back is because they will have to reengineer everything. They aren't going to put up fourty year old technology and call it good.

[Kurtdg19]

Ive heard all of those arguements before. Watch National Geographic on October 3rd, 4th, or the 11th . They will have a program on called 'Conspiracy Moon Landing'. I've already watched it, and it explains everything that the conspirers say they can't.

[AlmostStock]

Originally Posted by tenguzero

At any rate, do you think it was faked? If it was indeed real, then how come it's going to take NASA another 13 + years from TODAY to get back there? I would think such an undertaking accomplished 30 years ago -- SEVERAL times successfully -- could be busted out again today with little problem.

A while back I read that we can't just "bust out" the old technology because much of it has been lost forever. Work was contracted out to HUNDREDS of companies, many who are now long gone. They just didn't have the ability to "save" the massive amounts of information necessary for such a large undertaking in one location. So even if we tried to go to the moon the same way, we would still be forced to pretty much start over. It makes sense to me. And what about funding? Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't we funding NASA better back then? Seems like a much tighter budget today. You want it sooner? Give them the money.

I believe the moon landings actually took place and have seen the above accusations before. If it was faked then why fake so many? Wouldn't that just increase the chance of being caught with your pants down? Maybe there are some doctored photos to make it pretty but there seems to be much more proof that it's true than not.

EDIT-I can remember watching the original moon landing coverage on TV in '69. Way cool! The idea that it was all faked never entered anyone's mind back then.

[Muscletang]

My dad and I watched the moon landing hoax video and were able to come up with a counter point for almost everything.

For the flag debate, isn't it funny how every single time the "wind" is flapping the flag around the astronaut has a hold of it?

One more thing too the anti-moon landing guys couldn't answer, during Apollo 13, many, many, many amature astronomers were able to track the space ship all the way to the moon due to the oxygen trail it left.

True, it just says they went to the moon and back and if they really had the technology to actually land on it. The thing is the anti-moon landing guys say NASA didn't even have the technology to even make it back and forth to the moon.

[ct91rs]

Given the extreme competition between the US and USSR at the time, do you really think the Russians wouldn't have blown the story apart?

Anyone who honestly believes the moon landing was staged is wacked.

[tenguzero]

I'm glad to see there are so many believers out there (which only proves that the conspiracy theorists are off in their claims of large groups of people thinking it a hoax.) That doesn't mean I'm not still on the fence, as I've never been one to buy wholesale into anything extraordinary, unless I've experienced it myself Which means NASA should send me to the moon in 2018. I've never actually bothered to look into the conspiracy stuff, so (this being my first time) I'd formulated a couple questions, which were conveniently answered very quickly (the flag being one of them, as it's incredibly obvious that there's a support mechanism attached to the top of the flag, which I didn't notice until I closely analyzed the video.)

That still doesn't mean I can justify NASA's 2018 plans. It just seems to me that this is something they should have been planning for years already, UNLESS, of course, they want to do a big 50th anniversary celebration or whatnot on the Moon in 2019. I just feel this is something that they could be doing NOW if they had wanted to. That being said, I'll just be glad to have a chance at seeing it live, with my own eyes this time around. And who knows? Maybe they'll go early, or maybe they'll have some sort of really advanced technology. If they're going to make us wait another 13 years, I just want to see something that SCREAMS 21st century, and not merely a rehash of the original Apollo. However, with the completion of the ISS, the continued success of unmanned Mars programs, and the long overdue retirement of the Shuttle fleet between now and then, I suppose anything is possible.

I suppose there's not as much "debate" as I thought there would be, eh? Conspiracy theorists: you've lost this one.

[Ace$nyper]

Originally Posted by YogsVR4

The moon landings were not faked. http://pirlwww.lpl.arizona.edu/~jscotti/NOT_faked/


The time it'll take to get back is because they will have to reengineer everything. They aren't going to put up fourty year old technology and call it good.

Your right even though they probbly could send the old Saturn 5 up and get it done with that old stuff there is no reason to we can do it faster better and safer now.

Wasn't it Neil Armstrong who knocked the hell out of that jerk who called him a fraud? My dad met Buzz once back in college this was mid late 70s my dad was a runner and Buzz was going to speak that day both out for there morning run they met and Buzz dusted my dad.