turboing???

[Pr2rm128]

I know most of you are prolly tired of hearing about people turboing their cavy's this and that...well i am actually gonna do it i found a stage 2 turbo kit for 2300 and it seems to have all the parts there it is a 6psi turbo to start off with my motor just has an intake and pulleys so it's basically stock now i know from reading that the 2.4 engine can handle 6psi for the time being so this is just for the time being...here are my questions...I hear that you need 3in piping the whole way out is that for high psi or do you need it no matter how many psi's your running? What about fuel management i figured that if the car needs it the kit should have it since it is a KIT now the stage 3 comes with a bigger fuel pump and all that good stuff will i need that for a stage 2? Lastly what else will i need in order to get it running right..i already know you need your computer reprogrammed,at least 93 octane gas and etc...I know some of you are thinking that you shouldn't do this to your cavy but i want to get the the turbo in before the first snow in PA and get the pistons rods and what not by spring early summer

http://www.maximumboost.net/cavalierper2.html
***take a look at if to see what's there and i what i need i think it is a good deal and a nice looking set***

thanks for everyone's responce..oh yea im trying to kick my friends GTIs ass cuz he bought is like that and thinks he's the shit

[boost4life]

Originally Posted by Pr2rm128

I know most of you are prolly tired of hearing about people turboing their cavy's this and that...well i am actually gonna do it i found a stage 2 turbo kit for 2300 and it seems to have all the parts there it is a 6psi turbo to start off with my motor just has an intake and pulleys so it's basically stock now i know from reading that the 2.4 engine can handle 6psi for the time being so this is just for the time being...here are my questions...I hear that you need 3in piping the whole way out is that for high psi or do you need it no matter how many psi's your running? What about fuel management i figured that if the car needs it the kit should have it since it is a KIT now the stage 3 comes with a bigger fuel pump and all that good stuff will i need that for a stage 2? Lastly what else will i need in order to get it running right..i already know you need your computer reprogrammed,at least 93 octane gas and etc...I know some of you are thinking that you shouldn't do this to your cavy but i want to get the the turbo in before the first snow in PA and get the pistons rods and what not by spring early summer

http://www.maximumboost.net/cavalierper2.html
***take a look at if to see what's there and i what i need i think it is a good deal and a nice looking set***

thanks for everyone's responce..oh yea im trying to kick my friends GTIs ass cuz he bought is like that and thinks he's the shit

I don't know much about turbocharging. But what ive learned from my question about my turbo is your definatly going to need bigger Fuel Injectors and bigger Fuel Pump. Also you need at least 2.5" Piping. However 3" is more ideal.

[cdru]

Originally Posted by Pr2rm128

I know most of you are prolly tired of hearing about people turboing their cavy's this and that...well i am actually gonna do it i found a stage 2 turbo kit for 2300 and it seems to have all the parts

Seriously, IMHO, you'd be better off spending 2300 and selling your 98 Cavalier and buying a vehicle already with a turbocharger. Go with a 2G DSM and bump up to a 16g turbo for $200. That way you have a car that can at least handle a turbo "stock" without having to dump extra money in it for all sorts of other things just to get the turbo to work.

there it is a 6psi turbo to start off with my motor just has an intake and pulleys so it's basically stock now i know from reading that the 2.4 engine can handle 6psi for the time being so this is just for the time being

So what are you planning on changing after "the time being". The engine, while maybe able to support 6psi, wasn't really designed for turbo applications. There is a significant difference betten normally aspirated and forced aspiration.

...here are my questions...I hear that you need 3in piping the whole way out is that for high psi or do you need it no matter how many psi's your running?

6 PSI isn't "high". It's moderate in the turbo world from what I've seen. Back when I had my Talon TSi, it was ran at around 12PSI IIRC. But back to your question, 3in piping isn't *required*, but it allows your engine to breath easier. You have all this air being forced into your engine. After combustion, your engine wants to "exhale". If your exhaust piping is restricting the air out, it will increase the backpressure. This inturn can screw up all sorts of other things that might work on vacuum. This is in addition to the basic concept that if the exhaust can't flow out, the clean intake air can't flow in.

What about fuel management i figured that if the car needs it the kit should have it since it is a KIT now the stage 3 comes with a bigger fuel pump and all that good stuff will i need that for a stage 2?

All the turbo does is force more air into the combustion chamber and "prepressurizes" it. You need to add more fuel into the mixture. More fuel means bigger injectors. Bigger injectors mean that the fuel pump has to work harder so a bigger fuel pump may be necessary. I can't tell you exactly what you might need or want to get, but a upgraded fuel system definitely may be a requirement.

Lastly what else will i need in order to get it running right..i already know you need your computer reprogrammed,at least 93 octane gas and etc...I know some of you are thinking that you shouldn't do this to your cavy but i want to get the the turbo in before the first snow in PA and get the pistons rods and what not by spring early summer

I still think it's silly to dump that much money into a Cavalier but hey, it's your money. Presuming the kit is complete (the link doesn't work anymore) and you don't need any obvious critical parts, I'd strongly suggest finding someone who knows how turbos work. Better yet, someone who has installed a turbocharger properly. Improperly installed or configured, you can very quickly destroy your engine.

[Thor06]

Originally Posted by cdru

Seriously, IMHO, you'd be better off spending 2300 and selling your 98 Cavalier and buying a vehicle already with a turbocharger. Go with a 2G DSM and bump up to a 16g turbo for $200. That way you have a car that can at least handle a turbo "stock" without having to dump extra money in it for all sorts of other things just to get the turbo to work.

Whoa, did anyone else see that? I am going to book mark this thread and quote you, cdru, everytime someone is interested in turboing a Cavy. I'm 100% with cdru.

[Classicrocjunkie]

^^^ Not everyone wants to drive a DSM....

.....not everybody wants to keep dumping money into their DSM when shit starts to break because when they buy one, they are usually from punk ass kids who don't respect an automobile. All in all, if you know what you are doing, you can get all the parts for rebuilding an engine for boost for just a little over 2K and a turbo setup part by part for 1,500 bucks. For the price you are going to pay to buy the new DSM for, you can spend the same amount of money and have an engine in better condition and CAN handle it.
I know this comment is going to start somthing, but i am just pointing out a few things. MMMM KAy?

[-Jayson-]

i agree with CRJ, i dont want a DSM, i want my cavalier. I want to make my cavalier faster. Fucking buying a different car. Whats the fun in driving a fast car that you dont like? My car might not be that fast when it comes to street performance, but i guarante i love driving my car more than 99% of the people on the road.

[Mod'd_Cav]

whats a DSM ?

[Thor06]

Originally Posted by Classicrocjunkie

^^^ Not everyone wants to drive a DSM....

.....not everybody wants to keep dumping money into their DSM when shit starts to break because when they buy one, they are usually from punk ass kids who don't respect an automobile. All in all, if you know what you are doing, you can get all the parts for rebuilding an engine for boost for just a little over 2K and a turbo setup part by part for 1,500 bucks. For the price you are going to pay to buy the new DSM for, you can spend the same amount of money and have an engine in better condition and CAN handle it.
I know this comment is going to start somthing, but i am just pointing out a few things. MMMM KAy?

I have seen far more teenagers beating the hell out of Cavy's than I hav seen teenagers beating on DSM's.

The 4g63 engine is more than capable of handling power. 400+ hp can be sustained on stock internals.


Yeah, I realize that not everyone wants a DSM, but boosting a cavalier isnt for everyone. It takes lots of time, money, knowledge, and probably a good deal of fabrication to build the engine and/or turbo a cavy and most people arent ready for that. I think its cool that CRJ and -Jayson- are going to pursue making their Cavy's fast, but you two know what you are doing. Like me when I first got my car, many newbies think that they will suddenly have a 500hp car that is capable of 10 sec 1/4's once they slap in a turbo, but theres lots more to it than buying a few parts and bolting them on. $3500 is a lot of money, and most people dont realize it takes that to boost/build a Cavalier. I agree with you two, the most important thing about having a car is having one that you love, and if you only love Cavy's then go for it. Sorry guys, I didnt mean to push anyones buttons, just letting my opinion out.

[Thor06]

Originally Posted by Mod'd_Cav

whats a DSM ?

Mitsubishi Eclipse's, Eagle Talon's, and Plymouth Laser's made between 1990-1999.

[-Jayson-]

i dont plan on making a 500HP cavalier, im happy with my 14 second cavalier, eventually i would like to see 13's. And no it doesnt take much to make a 13 second cavalier, about 2500. When it comes to modding a car that isnt a whole lot. Ive seen stock cavaliers run 13.1 with a turbo setup. Thats completely stock block. MOdding a cavalier isnt about all out performance, if i wanted a performance car i wouldnt have bought a cavalier. IMO its a very well rounded car. Good looks, stock engine performance, handling, and all the little extras you can get with it.

[Mod'd_Cav]

word up...i wanna make mine fast one day but like jayson said...if i only wanted raw power i would have went with something like a camaro or a stang and dropped 3g to get 500 horse...its more then just power if you wanna work on a cavalier..i want something that could womp its fair share of opponents and looks deadly in appearance...not something that i take to the 1/4 and get consistant 8's

[Pr2rm128]

well you can certainly tell the cavy peps from the others...i already ordered it and i found out everything i needed cuz i knew people that weren't cav drivers wouldn't know shit...i can run on a plain stock motor 6 psi on a 2.4 motor and no more....now once i get the FMU, injectors, and high pressure fuel pump i can run around 8 which i will have that pretty soon also...this winter i am saving for the pistons rods and i might even port and polish the head (money depending)...i think it's funny cuz i burned a eclipse today on a stock motor....Well i got a question anyways what injectors are stock in the 2.4s...im told the thing to do is get 370cc but this kid wants to sell me 310cc's for 100 bucks but i ain't sure if that will do or not....i'll be sure to let you all know how the cavy runs stock with a turbo im hoping to prove a lot of people wrong as im blowing by them

[Classicrocjunkie]

^^They are 24# 252-260CC ... Some where in that ball park.

To each his own on this topic. I love my sedan for what it is and i have had very few minor problems with it. Yes i do realize how much things cost to make some power from them. I don't think i will ever see 13's out of my OHV but i am aiming for 14's with mine. For a while i will be rocking n/a till i can get my spare engine built. I finally found a shop close to my house who can do the PnP job. Which was main problem # 1. I have the 1mm larger size valves i need to get tapped. Alot of work will be done to the engine. Just will be some time. Thats why i am rocking a Mopar car right now.

[Mod'd_Cav]

on the topic of turbo's...i have the opportunity of getting a talon turbo for 300 bucks totally refurbished...my question is , is it possible to install that bad boy in my cav as long as i get the tubing custom made ?..and if it is...what are ALL the things that i need to run 6psi to start off with ? and i mean all the parts

[-Jayson-]

well what size turbo is it? I believe the only turbo flange that is made for our cars is a T3. So if its a T25, then it wont fit unless you know how to make a turbo header.