Best Intrigue info poll:

[panzer dragoon]

Who/what has the best reference material for the Intrigue?

1. Forums. Like automotiveforums.com (free)

2. GM/Helm service manual ($80-120)

3. Alldatadiy.com ($25 a year) my personal fave, but it get's costly after the first year. If you can't win the service manual on Ebay (and don't want to pay $120 new) it's perfect for the person in a bind for info. Sometimes more up to date info than a service manual.

4. Other service manuals like Haynes/Clymer etc. ($25 usually)

5. eSI/Techline on Ebay
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/GM-eS...96179123QQrdZ1

This turns your computer into a service station with all the GM service manuals from 1996-2005 in electronic format. Some older years can be found cheaper than others. Some can be used to program the PCM I think? The new eSI/Techline DVDs are on sale for $400 from GM. Otherwise they used to be at least 2x that. I think you can also get it for $120 a month. Mostly for dealers/servicers.

6. GM electronic manual set 1980-2003.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1980-...96530881QQrdZ1

I've seen these for $40 (and they weren't copies like this one), but originally I think they were $120-$200 from GM. Has the manual set from 1996-2003. With sporadic coverage of pre-1996.

[BNaylor]

I vote for Helms/GM service manuals. Got mine on Ebay - around $35.00 with winning bid.

Plus its nice to have a hardcopy to read in bed or on the John of your home or office while getting ready to perform or study up on car maintenance.

[panzer dragoon]

I'm lazy, but also cheap. (Remember I left that faulty CKP sensor in for a year)

AlldataDiy.com is $15 a year to renew ( And I need to renew in another month). $25 a year for new people.

I can get the whole GM/Helm 1996 + > set on CD or DVD for $50 or so. It looks like (an older) eSI or the 1980-2003 Manual set for me.

I tried getting a GM manual set on Ebay, but it kept going up to $60-80-100 for the 1999 Intrigue one (has 3.8L and 3.5L info). That was 2 years ago when I gave up on that.

[kimbo99]

I have a set of GM/Helm service manuals for my 2001 Intrigue. I think this is the best reference, my biggest complaint however is locating the particular info I want. The index sucks, to put it bluntly. For example, all the following are in the manual, but not in the index (or hidden in a subcategory of something else): air cleaner, cabin air filter, camshaft positioner sensor, crankshaft positioner sensor, fuel filter, fuel tank, ignition coils, oil filter, and the list goes on. I’ve spent many hours adding items to the index.

Alldatadiy.com is excellent. I had access to Alldatadiy while taking an auto shop class in junior college and from what I saw, the Alldatadiy pages were identical to my Helm service manual. The big advantage of Alldatadiy is the easier ability to locate info. However, once I located it in Alldatadiy I usually found the corresponding page in my service manual and used the service manual (and added another entry to the service manual index).

I also have the Chilton’s #28380 manual covering GM “W” body cars including Intrigue, and for the limited information it contains, it is excellent in that it has many useful home mechanics tips not found in the factory manual. I’ve never been a fan of Chilton’s manuals in the past (much preferring Haynes), but I rate this Chilton’s quite high.

I purchased two Intrigue “service manual” CDs on EBAY, one was by Mitchell that I considered worthless (plus it did not cleanly install and I could never uninstall it completely) and the other was a service manual CD that claimed it covered all GM cars (I don’t recall the name), but again it gave multiple errors during installation and always required the CD when using, and was not as good as the Helm manual, so I did the best I could to remove it.

I looked at the eSI/Techline you referenced on EBAY and it looks quite promising. Also has some positive EBAY feedback from buyers. Has anyone purchased this and were you able to get a clean install on a Windows XP machine? Also, can you install the cds/dvds completely without having to install them in the drive each time you use them?

I don’t have such a good feeling for the other EBAY listing for “GM electronic manual set 1980 – 2003.” 11 people had purchased a prior listing of this CD set and not one has left any feedback yet. The prior listing said “I still have a few of these left” and sold 11 and had 7 remaining. Then he relisted and as of this writing had sold 4 and had 12 remaining. So much for “I still have a few of these left.”

My ideal computer manual so far is only a dream. That manual would have hyperlinks to everything. i.e. if you see an item on a schematic such as a connector, you should be able to click on the connector and get a link to a picture of the connector and exactly where on the car the connector is located. Or if you see a picture of a component such as an alternator, you should be able to click on it and get the R&R instructions as well as the corresponding wiring schematic.

[Burnout524]

I usually use forums, either this one or at www.modernolds.net

As far as manuals go, I use Haynes or Chiltons, but I don't have a service manual for the Intrigue.

[kmohr3]

I also have the Helm (Factory) manual. It is probably the most detailed of what I've seen so far. It has about 1000 pages just on the 3.5 L engine. I bought mine new, and it was pricey - $135. If you're gonna do a lot of your own work, I'd recommend it.

I'm also thinking about getting the Alldata too. Mainly because of the TSB's and other documents. One question to Panzer - Does Alldata provide a complete set of TSB's for the Intrigue - does it update as new ones come out?

[panzer dragoon]

Surprisingly the Intrigue is still generating TSBs for 2005:

List of Intrigue TSBs:

05-06-02-001 050224 Cooling System - Aluminum Radiator/Heater Core Info.
01-08-42-001B 050211 Lighting - Replacement Guidelines for Condensation
03-09-41-003A 050209 Restraints - Air Bag System Diagnostics
00-07-30-009A 050209 A/T - New/Reman A/T Identification
00-08-46-003B 050209 Instruments - GPS System Performance Degradation
04-07-30-013A 050125 A/T - Shift/Driveability Concerns/SES Lamp ON
03-08-44-005C 050119 A/C - Rear Defogger Inoperative/Radio Interference
04-08-48-001A 050119 A/C - Rear Defogger Heating Grid Damage Detection
04-06-04-047C 041214 Fuel System - 'Top Tier' Gasoline Information
00-07-30-022C 041210 A/T - 4L60/65E No Reverse/2nd or 4th Gear
01-07-30-041A 041203 A/T - Fluid Leak Diagnostics
04-03-10-001A 041130 Tires - Puncture Repair Procedures
99-08-51-007B 041122 Wheels - Aluminum Wheel Refinishing
03-07-29-004A 041112 M/T - Operational Characteristics
02-06-03-006B 041110 Electrical - Testing Prior to Alternator/Battery R&R
02-07-30-052C 040901 A/T - Fluid Flushing Procedure/Tool
01-01-38-006D 040901 A/C - R-134a System Flushing Procedures
04-03-10-012 040901 Wheels - Chrome Wheel Pitting/Brake Dust Accumulation
04-06-04-051A 040901 Fuel System - Maintenance Cleaning of Fuel Injectors
04-07-30-037 040901 A/T - DEXRON III(R) (H-Revision) Specification Upgrade
00-08-48-005A 040901 Body - Distortion in Outer Surface of Vehicle Glass
99-09-40-005B 040901 Restraint System - Seat Belt Extender Availability
01-07-31-002A 040901 M/T - Improved Hydraulic Clutch Bleeding Procedure
04-06-02-007 040811 Instruments - Low Coolant Indicator Always ON
99-07-30-030D 040811 A/T - Growling/Grinding Noise on an Incline
01-07-30-010A 040806 A/T - Torque Converter Replacement Guideline
01-02-32-001D 040803 Steering - Clunking During Turning Maneuvers
02-06-03-008A 040728 Charging System - Operational Characteristics
01-03-10-009A 040727 Wheels - Plastic Wheel Nut Covers Loose/Missing
00-00-89-027B 040721 Interior - Odor Elimination
02-06-03-010A 040702 Battery - Parasitic Drain
04-06-00-047 040624 Fuel - Top Tier Detergent Gasoline Information
04-07-30-028 040615 A/T - Reverse Servo Cover Seal Leak
00-06-01-026A 040614 Engine - New Long Block Installation Precaution
00-03-10-002C 040601 Wheels - Chemical Stains on Chrome Wheels
04-06-04-037 040527 Emissions - MIL ON/DTC P0410 (AIR System) Set
04-06-04-036 040520 Engine Controls - Reprogramming Warranty Info.
00-05-22-002D 040517 Brakes - Service Procedures/Warranty Guidelines
04-06-01-013 040401 Engine - Serpentine Drive Belt Wear Information
00-06-02-006A 040213 Cooling System - Coolant Information
04-07-30-006 040211 A/T - 4L65E, 4L60E, 4L60, 200-4R Oil Pump Spring
02-07-30-001A 040211 A/T - 4L60E and 4L65E DTC P0894/P1870 Diagnostics
01-07-30-038B 040126 A/T - 4L60-E/4L65-E MIL ON/DTC P0757/Slipping
02-06-05-004A 040109 Emissions - Catalytic Converter Damage/Misfire Codes Set
04-01-37-001 040106 A/C - Control Knob Replacement Availability
02-08-48-001A 031202 Windows/Glass - Urethane Adhesive Usage
01-01-38-013A 031029 A/C - Unnecessary Compressor Replacement
03-02-32-049 031029 Steering - New Outer Tie Rods/Replacement Procedure
02-07-30-022B 031020 A/T - MIL/SES Lamp ON/Multiple A/T DTC's Set
03-02-36-002 030730 Steering - Revised Service Procedures
01-06-01-011A 030723 Engine - Oil Consumption Information
01-01-39-003A 030714 A/C - Catastrophic Compressor Failure Debris Removal
03-07-30-027 030601 A/T - Oil Cooler Flushing Frequently Asked Questions
03-07-30-017 030501 A/T - Grinding Noise/No Vehicle Movement in 'D' or 'R'
99-08-52-005A 030501 Keyless Entry System - Operational Characteristics
99-01-39-007B 030301 A/C - Automatic A/C Functional Description
03-01-38-001 030301 A/C - System Sealers/Leak Detection Guidelines
01-05-23-001A 030301 Brakes - Brake Rotor Lateral Runout Correction
02-08-42-001A 030301 Lighting - Polycarbonate Headlamp Damage Prevention
03-07-30-006 030301 A/T - 4T40-E/4T45-T Engineering Changes
99-07-30-017A 030201 A/T - Oil Cooler Flushing/Flow Check Procedures
99-08-64-016A 030101 Body - Weatherstrip Maintenance
03-06-04-012 030101 Electrical - Wiring Harness Inspection Recommendations
02-07-30-048 021101 A/T - Pressure Control Solenoid Replacement
02-06-03-009A 021001 Battery - Charging/Information Tips
02-07-30-022A 020901 Transmission Controls - SES Lamp ON/ DTC's Set
02-06-01-028 020801 Engine - Crankcase Flushing Recommendations
02-08-47-001 020701 Body Control - Update of Some Control Module DTC's
00-07-30-002B 020701 A/T - 4T65E Harsh Shifts/Shudders/Slips/DTC's Set
02-07-30-014A 020701 A/T - 4T65-E Spacer Plate/Gasket Service
02-06-01-026 020601 Engine - Identification Information
02-09-41-001 020601 Computers & Controls - DTC's Set When Replacing Modules
02-07-30-028 020601 A/T - Serial Number/Site Code Locations/Identification
02-08-46-006 020501 OnStar (R) - Incorrect GPS Location During OnStar Call
01-06-03-001A 020401 Headlamps/Interior Lamps - Dim Intermittently
02-08-46-004 020401 OnStar System (R) - Cellular Error Messages
02-07-30-016 020401 A/T Shift Lever - Hard to Pull Into Low Gear
02-08-42-004 020401 A/T - PRNDL Display Dim for One Minute
02-07-30-014 020401 A/T - 4T65-E Spacer Plate Service
02-06-01-008 020301 Engine - New Prelube Tool
99-00-89-019B 020201 Warranty - Parts Return Program Explained
02-01-38-001 020201 Defroster Actuator - Revised Replacement Procedure
01-05-23-011A 020201 Brakes - Rattling Noise
00-07-30-007A 020201 A/T - 4T65E, MIL ON/Whine Noise In PARK/NEUTRAL
02-08-64-001 020101 Door Mirror - Whistle/Wind Noise
01-03-10-012 020101 Wheel Balance/Alignment - Labor Operation Guidelines
01-03-10-011 011201 Tires - Sidewall Damage
01-08-46-006A 011201 Onstar(R) - Antenna Coupling Revised Procedures
01-08-42-007 011101 Electrical - Intermittent System Failures, DTC's Set
01-06-04-044 011101 EVAP System - Special Tool Usage
01-08-97-002 011101 HomeLink(R) Transmitter - Programming Difficulties
00-06-04-011A 011001 EVAP System - Monitor Strategy
01-08-66-010 011001 Rear Compartment - Itching, Chirp, or Squeak Type Noise
01-07-30-029 011001 A/T - Core Return Product Feedback Form
01-00-89-013 010901 RKE Transmitter - Correct Use of Labor Operation R4490
01-08-46-004 010801 Cellular Phones - Operating Characteristics
01-08-64-011 010701 Power Window - Inoperative or Slow
01-00-89-010 010601 Diagnostic Worksheet - Usage
01-05-23-006A 010601 Brake Calipers - Revised Fastener Requirements
99-06-03-010A 010601 PCM/BCM Replacement - DTC's B001/B1271/B1780 Set
01-09-40-002 010601 Seat Belt System - Collision Replacement Guidelines
99-01-39-004A 010501 A/C - Odor Emission in Hot Weather
00-03-10-003B 010501 Tires - Bumper To Bumper Warranty Coverage
01-08-46-001 010501 OnStar(R) Module - Required Reconfiguration
01-00-89-009 010501 Key/Key Number/Security Chip - Replacement
01-02-32-004 010401 Special Tools - Power Steering System Analyzer
01-08-61-003 010401 Special Tools - Frame Insulator Tool
01-08-44-005 010401 Radio Display - Error Code Diagnosis/Repair
99-07-30-020A 010401 A/T - Service Procedure Changes
NHTSA01V109000 010329 Recall 01V109000: Air Bag Label Defect
01-05-23-003 010301 Front/Rear Brakes - Revised Tool Requirements
00-08-46-004A 010301 Instruments - Re-Establishing GPS Communications
01-06-02-001 010101 Thermostat - High Temperatures/Overheat Condition
00-01-38-012 001201 Evaporator Case - Water Leaks to The Interior
00-03-10-006 001101 Tires - Radial Force Variation
00-00-90-001 001101 Suspension - Chassis Lubrication Importance
00-08-42-008 001001 Shift Indicator Bulb - Part Number Update
00-01-38-007 000901 A/C Performance/Leaks - Diagnostic Procedure
00-08-46-002 000901 OnStar(R) - Cellular Antenna Replacement Parts Available
00-08-51-001 000901 Outside Rear View Mirror - Housing Turns Chalky/Dull
NHTSA00V228003 000817 Recall 00V228003: Seat Belt Buckle Defect
00-00-89-021 000801 Cross Line - Warranty Information
00-06-01-016 000801 Engine - Aluminum Thread Repair Kits
00-08-63-006 000801 Front Air Deflector - Improved Design
00-06-04-026 000601 PCM - Returned Product Feedback Program
00-05-23-004 000601 Disc Brake Components - Updated Specifications
00-06-01-012 000501 Gasket Surfaces - Use of Surface Conditioning Discs
99-01-38-006A 000501 A/C - Refrigerant Recovery/Recharge Equipment
00-05-22-004 000501 Brake Fluid - Level & Filling Recommendations
00-06-03-003 000501 Battery - Testing and Replacement
00-06-04-021 000501 EVAP System - Service of Connectors
00-06-04-022 000501 PCM - MIL ON/DTCs P0101 & P1441/Driveability Problems
NHTSA00V114000 000411 Recall 00V114000: ABS Hydraulic Control Unit Defective
99-00-84-021B 000401 Warranty - GM Dealer Parts Procurement
00-08-43-002 000201 Wingshield Washer Solvent Reservoir - Leaking
00-06-02-001 000101 Engine - Running Hot And/Or Loss of Coolant
99-08-66-002A 000101 Trap Resistant Trunk Kit - Function/Installation
99-09-41-004 000101 Air Bag (SIR) On-Off Switch Kits, New Parts and Service
99-01-38-005 991201 A/C - Lack of Performance
99-06-03-012 991201 Battery - Testing & Replacement
99-03-10-104 991101 Tires - Improper/Recommended Tire Pressure
99-06-04-053 991101 PROM - Powertrain Control Module Reprogramming
99-08-46-001 991101 OnStar(R) - Kit Part Numbers and Compatibility
99-08-45-005 991101 Accessory Receptacle/Cigar Lighter - Inoperative
99-08-42-009 991101 IP Dimmer Control - Proper Setting
99-06-02-017 991001 Cooling - Radiator Repair/Replacement Guidelines
99-03-10-103 991001 Wheels - Stud Removal Tool Change
99-06-03-011 991001 Warranty - Generator Replacement
99-06-04-048 991001 Instruments - Service Vehicle Soon/ABS Lamp ON/DTC P0410
99-08-44-008 991001 Cassette Player - Cleaning and Maintenance
99-00-89-016 990901 Warranty - Labor Time Guide Updates, 09/99
68-05-03 960601 Warranty - Goodwrench Service Lifetime Service Guarantee

[panzer dragoon]

I bought the esi/techline cd set (~$35) and it's kind of weird. It turns your computer into a server that talks to itself. You need to connect it to the internet (need internet connection) so it can talk back to your computer as a server. I got it to go for a day or two then gave up. When it worked it was neat and very useful.

If you want to try it, get the DVD version so you don't need to keep swap-ing cds. I would try it on an extra computer and use it as a stand alone. The people that are selling these cd are just selling unauthorized copies that they make themselves (my thoughts on the matter).

I'll even pass this thing around if people want to try it.