Project Super Sleeper

[King Of Crunk]

Okay well I'm starting to look for a new car and i've decided to go with a super sleeper that i plan on modding the hell out of....i want one of those cars that you just look at and shrug off and then when they go WOT, you're confused on how a family sedan could go that fast...i'm not planning on spending more than 15k on the car....and i've narrowed it down to these:

1. 2000 Pontiac GTP (i would debadge this and take off any spoilers etc....make it look like a regular grand prix)
2. 1999 Taurus SHO (same as GTP...make it look like a regular taurus)
3. 1998 Buick Riviera (this would probably be the best sleeper...but the heaviest)
4. 2000 ish Nissan Maxima

ANY OTHER SUGGESTIONS OF THESE TYPES OF CARS WOULD BE APPRECIATED

[kman10587]

The GTP is your best bet for cheap speed, but a lot of people will figure out that it's a GTP, so the surprise factor isn't as good. I don't like the newer SHOs at all, and the V8 has some reliability issues. The aftermarket isn't really there, either. If you get an SHO, go for an older one, with the 3.0-liter V6. The Maxima can be made pretty fast, but it's not a good choice for a sleeper. Most people already think the Maxima is pretty fast.

I think the Riviera is your best choice overall. The supercharged 3.8L has plenty of cheap aftermarket, and most people don't even know what a Riviera is, let alone that it's actually pretty quick.

[SuperHighOutput]

Instead of a GTP or Riviera you might look at a Regal GS with the 3.8 s/c. Basically the same car as the GTP, but with the Buick badge few will see it coming.

Also stay away from V8 SHOs! The V6s are faster and far more reliable, the V8s are notorious for cam problems that generally end in engine failure and VERY expensive repairs. The only way you should even consider on is to make sure the owner had the cams welded, and they have proof verifying that the work has been done.

[NISSANSPDR]

Get a Toyota Cressida is RWD and just drop either a 1JZ or a 2JZ into that sucker



Here's a hooked up one but you want one more low key than that obviously for a sleeper.

[FikseGTS]

1995 Toyota Supra Turbo.....

[k3smostwanted]

Originally Posted by FikseGTS

1995 Toyota Supra Turbo.....

yeah, and on that note...the ultimate sleeper would have to be a Ferrari F40.


anyways, i would go with anything that has the 3800 S/C...reliable motor, reliable car, etc.

Even the GTP, very few would expect it to keep up with their sports car or what have you. I have a 2000 GTP and people are surprised when they are 8 cars behind before we hit 50mph. They expect it to have a little pep but not quite as fast as it is. Plus even though alot of cars have the same motor...performance parts are offered at large for the GTP and its set-up (ie: exhaust).

Anyways, I have intake and a custom cat-back with flowmasters and I ran a 14.3 at the track. so very quick for what you pay for.

[King Of Crunk]

hmmm it looks like the S/C 3800s respond pretty well to mods...and being as K3 is already running low 14s with some pretty simple mods it seems like that would be my best bet....i also was wondering if i could possible put nissan 300zx performance parts on a 2000 ish maxima.....they're the same size engine i believe...so maybe?...and also i was wondering what kind of work is put in if you maybe switch the pulley on a GTP to say...a 10lb pulley....and what kind of horsepower that would be putting out....thanks for the replys

[Andydg]

Originally Posted by SuperHighOutput

Instead of a GTP or Riviera you might look at a Regal GS with the 3.8 s/c. Basically the same car as the GTP, but with the Buick badge few will see it coming.

I second that!!!

[k3smostwanted]

Originally Posted by King Of Crunk

hmmm it looks like the S/C 3800s respond pretty well to mods...and being as K3 is already running low 14s with some pretty simple mods it seems like that would be my best bet....i also was wondering if i could possible put nissan 300zx performance parts on a 2000 ish maxima.....they're the same size engine i believe...so maybe?...and also i was wondering what kind of work is put in if you maybe switch the pulley on a GTP to say...a 10lb pulley....and what kind of horsepower that would be putting out....thanks for the replys

i will be going down to a 3.4" pulley and a reprogrammed PCM in a couple of months. maybe do a little more exhaust. that should net me mid 13's from what other people have told me. thats about as far s i would go...but i do know you can get down to mid 12's with only minor bolt-on's. so yes, the modaibility is superb IMO.

supposedly, your not supposed to go down to a 3.25" pulley until you have some other stuff done but i know people running an intake and 3.25" pulley without a gliche.

[King Of Crunk]

Originally Posted by k3smostwanted

i will be going down to a 3.4" pulley and a reprogrammed PCM in a couple of months. maybe do a little more exhaust. that should net me mid 13's from what other people have told me. thats about as far s i would go...but i do know you can get down to mid 12's with only minor bolt-on's. so yes, the modaibility is superb IMO.

supposedly, your not supposed to go down to a 3.25" pulley until you have some other stuff done but i know people running an intake and 3.25" pulley without a gliche.

are smaller pulleys an easy install? and what stuff would i need to have done before running a 3.25" pulley.....like upgraded internals?

[flatlander757]

www.turbominivan.com

noone will suspect you

[k3smostwanted]

Originally Posted by King Of Crunk

are smaller pulleys an easy install? and what stuff would i need to have done before running a 3.25" pulley.....like upgraded internals?

they are easy to install but they recommend you use this pulley puller that you can rent from most 3800 performance places for like $30 or so. between me and you...you dont really have to use that.

anyways, no you dont need to upgrade the internals to do a 3.25" pulley. most people will recommend you get an intercooler before you do it but i would definitely get a 160 degree thermostat, PCM, intake, and exhaust work before i went down to a 3.25". i dont really think an intercooler is needed but it would help a ton i hear.

i personally am only going to a 3.4" pulley mainly because i have another performance car and i just want a little more pep in my daily driver.

check out http://www.3800performance.com

[Vettribution]

I've seen a turbo'd Maxima beat up an EVO.... I think it was a Garrett Turbo installed.. I could see if I could find more info if you want.. That thing was insanely fast, and I if I am not mistaken Maxima's stock already are quicker than the GTP's?

[BP2K2Max]

^considering that a maxima makes more hp N/A than the s/c 3800 does and weighs 200-300 lbs less the max is probably faster stock, not to mention you can get the maxima's with a manual tranny, but mod for mod the GTP/Buick's gonna respond better considering that it's already got FI. i think either car would be a good choice, if you can swing it, look into a 02-03 maxima with the VQ35, it's good for mid-high 14's stock.

[k3smostwanted]

Originally Posted by BP2K2Max

look into a 02-03 maxima with the VQ35, it's good for mid-high 14's stock.

well thats what the GTP runs despite the 200-300lb weight advantage and whatever else.

you have to remember that the maxima may make more HP but the GTP has 280 ft/lbs of torque pulling its weight at 800 less RPM while the maxima has 246 4400 RPMs. this could make a big difference in straight line performance. plus the 3800 S/C is known for be quite a bit underrated from the factory.

reguardless, both would be good choices but liked mentioned earlier. the 2800 SC would make a better performer if plans are to be modified.