Mclaren Question for a Newbie 2

[AussieSlacker]

hey guys, been gone for a while, and look at the progress here!!

I've post this somewhere, but didn't get a reply, assume no one saw it.

Peleton, congrats on the visit, would i be wrong to say that GM is like your biggest idol?

any way guys, i have a question for ya, was reading the thing on the website you guys created for the re-encounter of the convention, it was mentioned in there that the McLaren F1 doesn't have a Flywheel? can you explain that?

Does any one have a photo of how does the mclaren's door open at the roof bit, i mean does it have a little bearing in there or something, hope you guys know what i mean.

and also this has sort of puzzled me for a while now, what is the difference between the LM and the normal GTRs? from the photos i have they all the same, but prehaps you can tell me the different, exteior any way, i've seen some photos of Ralph lauren's car, appears there is no key hole?! only a start switch, so i guess if any one break into the car they can drive off?

thanks guys

[peter i]

"difference between the LM and the normal GTRs?"

There are only 72 cars in the F1 production ,there is 5 LM model 3 Gtr model, other just a standard F1 .diffrent is the front & rear down force kit including the full fiber material,anti-roll bar and full racing padel ... ( and they had to lower the horse power to fit the race regulation!)

ps: anyone please crrect me , if i wrong

[F1 monster]

GTRs inlets were restricted to comply with race regultions. LM motor is unrestricted.

GTR bodies had minor differences as the teams/factory experimented with different ways of channeling air for cooling and aerodynamics.

GTR has 2 seats and fuse/control panel and fire suppression system to driver's right. LM has 3 seats and no control panel or fire suppression system like in the GTRs.

GTR has roll cage. LM does not.

[theflinger]

And when F1 Monster says the LM is unrestricted, he means it. It actually develops MORE horsepower than the regular car, but cannot reach as high of a top speed because of the downforce kits. It is also a bit lighter so it is much faster in low speed runs. That's a scary thing to say.

Here;s a few things that caught my eye in Driving Ambition

F1 road car:
627bhp@7500 rpm
651NM @6500 rpm
7500 rpm redline
235/45/Zr17 front
315 rear

F1 LM:
680@7800
703NM@4500 -- more torque at a lower rpm
redline 8500 rpm --- must be fucking amazing
The tranny is the same except they call the transverse unit a racing unit, and it has straight cut gears.
275/35/zr18 front
345/35/zr18 rear
and the GTR Race type brake cooling system.

[AussieSlacker]

thanks guys!

Oh yeah, special mention to Peleton too, his new posted photos solved my second question regarding to the McLaren Door hingers,

but what about the Flywheel and the keyhole thing?

[Peloton25]

Originally Posted by AussieSlacker

thanks guys!

Oh yeah, special mention to Peleton too, his new posted photos solved my second question regarding to the McLaren Door hingers,

I actually took those specifically with you in mind, but I also knew there weren't any great shots of the floating around and so they were needed. Glad you noticed them!

but what about the Flywheel and the keyhole thing?

I honestly can't answer the flywheel question, which is why I haven't. It could be a very simple explanation, but I'd rather not guess that and be wrong.

The LM does have a key that unlocks the door:


Credit drewwtms for the photo.

...but you are correct that the LM doesn't have a keyhole on the chassis plaque like a road car would.

If there is another keyhole somewhere in the interior, I have never seen it. One of the unique features of the normal F1s keyhole is that it locks the gear lever in place - that's one of the things that helps prevent theft, and I would assume it also forces you to park in gear which is never a bad thing. Its likely this was left off of the LM to save weight, but also because the GTRs didn't have a keyhole there either.

The LM has this extra panel of switches ahead of the right passenger seat.


Credit dugmar for the image.

On it you will notice the one encircled in orange with a light below it that reads "Ignition". I would assume that flipping that switch down and then pressing the magic red button near the gear lever is all that separates one from running off with the car once they get inside. If I'm wrong on this, hopefully Mr Selldorff or one of the guys from Turner Motorsports can correct me.

>8^)
ER

[AussieSlacker]

Hey Peleton,

Thanks man! I really appreciate all your efforts to help me solve some questions. the problem is most of the people on other forums just spead bs about these cars to make them sound like a mclaren expert, since only a handful of people actually know them.

the people here are great, especially you. big thanks from me!

[Peloton25]

Your welcome man!

Occasionally we are left to speculate on certain things because the info isn't really available, but hopefully we do a good job of keeping the BS out of here. As I said in my 'F1 experience' thread - one of the things that drives me is learning and telling the real story. I'm just glad that people still find it interesting enough to listen. There are always a few surprises with the F1.

>8^)
ER

[peter i]

Peloton25: Just a question ....

Are japan Hold 3 GTr model ? the one from Rosso Meg , the 2 of Super GT series ?

ps: Btw here is a LM layout ....

[Peloton25]

Japan may have a few GTRs, but the one from Rosso Mag (GTR #13R) is headed for Australia and should be there soon.

The other short tail GTR (#14R) that raced with that car in 1996 under the LARK livery has vanished. It may still be in Japan, or may have gone elsewhere. Someone obviously has it stashed away though.

Only one of the two longtail GTRs (#25R) that raced in the JGTC is still in Japan - its the one that is still competing. The other one (GTR #19R) came to the USA in late 2003 and is privately owned now. Prior to coming to the USA it was refitted with it's original LARK livery that it wore at the 1997 24Hrs of LeMans. The owner's name may be Kevin Crowder, but I have never been able to confirm that. The car is serviced and maintained by Hudson Historics in New York. It may be stored there as well.

Incidentally, the image you posted is cool - I have had it for a while, but there are two features in the picture that prove it is a GTR and not an LM. Lets see who can spot them first?

>8^)
ER

[peter i]

you got me again :P thanks for show me the light ...(I just follow the pic title)

[F1 monster]

I am guessing it's these two items, as I don't have a reference picture handy:

1. Holes in rear windows indicating they are lexan, not glass?

2. Front intakes?

[ArchangelGTR]

1) Roll cage - LM's don't have a roll cage.
2) Lack of front fender flare. Which would make it a 95 GTR.

[F1 monster]

Well done, I missed the roll cage entirely, and I didn't know that there was a year that did not have the fender flares.

[Peloton25]

Actually, I missed the front fender flares. ...good job Archangel!

The rollcage was correct.

The other thing I was looking for was the small duct on the side of the car ahead of the rear wheel. You will find one on that side of a GTR, but the LMs don't have it.



There is a larger duct on the opposite side that is found on both the GTRs and the LMs, but that's not the side of the car they are showing in that drawing.



As for the holes in the rear windows - you will find those on XP1 LM which was the LM prototype, but I haven't seen them featured on either of the two production LMs that we have photos of. I guess they chose not to use them. I do believe that the side windows, at least the ones on the doors, were still made of lexan. I'm not sure about those quarter windows, but they probably were too.

>8^)
ER