For those of you that want KONI shocks

[G22DET]

Ok..all P11 owners...KONI does NOT sell shocks for the P11, you can mix and match KYB front P10 shocks with KONI rear Maxima shocks if you like...but why when there's the TEINs that's available for pretty much the same price for springs/shocks and you get real, balanced performacne out of it?
so this post is just to clear up some confusions about the shocks.
As far as i know, no one in the US makes shocks specificaly for the P11 G20 yet. (GAB used to, not anymore)

[G22DET]

an error on my part..bilstein does make shocks....i ordered some before, but they were taking FOREVER to get...so the customer eventually cancelled and got the GABs from me...when it was still available

[P10DET]

Originally posted by G22DET
Ok..all P11 owners...KONI does NOT sell shocks for the P11, you can mix and match KYB front P10 shocks with KONI rear Maxima shocks if you like...but why when there's the TEINs that's available for pretty much the same price for springs/shocks and you get real, balanced performacne out of it?

Sorry Luke, but you are wrong. Koni does indeed make dampers for the P11. I know someone in SoCal who has had them on his P11 for over a year. And, they are not dampers from another application that just happened to fit. They are specifically for the P11.

The catalog is taking forever to download this morning.

<http://www.koni-na.com/catalog.html>

As for why Koni?.... IMHO they are the best producer of dampers in the world. My limited experience with them says they have slightly less bounce damping and slightly more rebound damping than Japanese dampers. IMHO, this provides a smoother ride since the initial bump isn't quite so bad and neither is the rebound afterwards.

My original plan was to get Konis for my G20, but I got a sweetheart deal on a set of barely used AGX. I still want to eventually get some though. Mine will be double adjustable race dampers though. I already have the rear figured out and just need to figure out the front.

My Sentra SE-R will definitely get a set of double adjustable race dampers since we are already working out the set-up for our ITS SE-R race car.

P10s can either use European market front dampers specifically made for the P10 or use the P11 fronts. For the rear, I'm almost 100% certain that Sentra inserts will work.

[b-b00gie]

Koni DOES make them for P11's!!!

If you talk to someone from Koni-NA they will tell you they do not make G20 P11 struts, which is true.


Koni only offers them in Europe for the P11 because the rear suspension is not the same as ours.


I had ordered the full P11 set and was only able to use the fronts. The rear strut was not long enough to safely put the upper mounts on. After talking to Henry cause I noticed on his site that he was using Koni's too, he put me in contact with Jason from Velocity Resources who told me to use the 95 Maxima struts for the rear.

I did that no problem, but found the Konis a bit stiff and its a damn PAIN to have "adjustable dampers" that cant be adjusted after they are mounted!!

In comes the Teins

[ales]

brian, could you tell a bit more about the differences in suspension USDM P11 vs. EUR P11?

[b-b00gie]

not sure the specifics, maybe Henry can get the details from Jason @ Velocity Resources who is the guy that actually worked with Koni to find a solution for the US spec cars...


i can tell you this though...


with the rear Koni struts I was not able to put the upper mounts on even with the spring fully compressed. the nut just barely missed the shaft. even if i could have gotten it on (using an air impact gun) there would be no movement!! the springs coils were almost completely compressed together.

at this point I stopped and started scratching my head cause i though the kit would be a direct swap. maybe problem i had was do to the fact that i was using GC's which come with a new upper mount, however the front fit perfect.

Henry ( http://1phatg.innernot.com ) told me to call Jason @VR and he told me how they worked with Koni and came up with using the 95 Nissan Maxima rear struts w/o any modifications. I tried this and it fit perfect...

[WRAITH]

Konis also make application for P10 in the Europe and Asia market. One of my friend in Thailand has found out about it. And I am going to try to get a set and see if it fit right on the USDM P10.

I will keep you guys posted.

[Nismoboy1]

i'm sorry to add/rehash on this old subject, but i'm not sure if i asked this before but...can just the regular g20 lowering springs fit the rear of the 95 maxima struts or does this apply only to the GC's??? thanx.

[b-b00gie]

not sure, as I've never tried the Koni's with anything but GC's

[kenchan]

just make it easy for yourselves....just get the TEIN's. they're great. no noise, no fuss, just a easy perfect fit each time. Koni can't even measure right... tell you the quality level of their product. ( j/k j/k)

[P10DET]

Originally posted by Nismoboy1
i'm sorry to add/rehash on this old subject, but i'm not sure if i asked this before but...can just the regular g20 lowering springs fit the rear of the 95 maxima struts or does this apply only to the GC's??? thanx.

John.....

Send me an email <[email protected]>

I'll put you in touch with the guy who has Konis on his P11.

I don't want to start a pissing contest about Koni vs Tein. OTOH, Koni has been involved with the highest and lowest levels of motorsports since before many of you ever had the chance to soil your drawers.

I have to admit I've never ridden in a car with Tein's. I blew it. I should have ridden in Jason's car at Salt Fest. Next year.

[kenchan]

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[PrimeraGT]

Okay kids, I have had Primera P11 adjustable Konis with Maxima adjustable rear Konis for almost a year now. They are on full stiff with one turn back for good measure. True, you cannot adjust them without taking the whole fahking thing apart but it rides well. The Ground Controls are nonsense as to adjust the rfont you will find yourself removing the wheel, jacking the car all the way up, and bending yourself into odd contortions to rasie/lower it. The rear is easier but removal of the wheel is necessary nonetheless. Then there is the matter of the horrible "Ground Control' noise. *clack clak thunk* If your intent is to lower the balls out of the car, go for it, but be forewarned that bad things may happen. I am not knocking GC or Koni, they make a great product, but if you have the $1100 plus to spare, get the Teins if you can.

My .11 cents

PrimeraGT

[P10DET]

Originally posted by PrimeraGT
Then there is the matter of the horrible "Ground Control' noise. *clack clak thunk*

To eliminate the thunk, wrap the damper with duct tape until the collar barely slides over the tape. Then smear the tape with RTV, slide the collar over the tape/RTV. Once the collar is down, run some RTV around the top to seal it.

It sounds ghetto (hey, it is ghetto), but it works great. My GCs are quieter than my OEM springs were.

[G22DET]

BTW, Tein also participates in a wide variety of races in Japan...from circuit to rally. and they've been doing that for a very long time.
well, i have the 2001 Koni catalog sitting right here...no applications for the P11, so i am just translating what is being said in the catalog to you guys.