Superchargers

[Viper_Storm]

i havent really done a search on super chargers lately but when i did it awhile ago it seems that all super chargers are like 6'' tall... lol, i dont need this hunk of metal sticking out of my car, i know some mustangs have superchargers that fit under the stock hood and have heard of some camaros with superchargers under the stock hood, i was wondering if they have super chargers for 2000 ls1 that will fit under the stock hood? anyone with links or info? i could always search again but then again i wont really know if it will fit under the stock hood.

this is why i was gonna go with a turbo, you wont even know its there untill its to late but i really dont want anyone to know what i have under my hood... and i think that sound from the wastegate would get on my nerves after awhile...

[Jcrane88]

Summit part #PWA-K10388-101
try that it says it will fit under the hood........

[Viper_Storm]

Originally Posted by Jcrane88

Summit part #PWA-K10388-101
try that it says it will fit under the hood........

thanks

[SpikeD]

Welcome to the wounerful world of forced inuction! the suoerchargers you were looking at are more comminly referd to as blowers an only go on carbed engines. the superchargers you've heard of that fit under the hood are probally round and are called certrifugal super chargers. theres several major companys that make superchargers, an I personaly would take a supercharger over a turbo anyday. superchargers make there power at low to mid ranges. while a turbo only makes its power at higher rpms an youll have to wait for your lag to kick till you get the power to the wheels. now granted that the smaller the turbo the smaller the lag, but i like the belt driven supercharger. If your just looking for a quick 100hp or sumthing like 50% of what your engins already making look up these gyus. http://www.vortechsuperchargers.com/ , http://www.paxtonauto.com/. Now if you want todo supercharging the rigthway an get up 85% i personaly recomend procharger www.procharger.com they use intercooling like a turbo to get cold air into the intake make make monster power. good luck

[Viper_Storm]

Originally Posted by SpikeD

Welcome to the wounerful world of forced inuction! the suoerchargers you were looking at are more comminly referd to as blowers an only go on carbed engines. the superchargers you've heard of that fit under the hood are probally round and are called certrifugal super chargers. theres several major companys that make superchargers, an I personaly would take a supercharger over a turbo anyday. superchargers make there power at low to mid ranges. while a turbo only makes its power at higher rpms an youll have to wait for your lag to kick till you get the power to the wheels. now granted that the smaller the turbo the smaller the lag, but i like the belt driven supercharger. If your just looking for a quick 100hp or sumthing like 50% of what your engins already making look up these gyus. http://www.vortechsuperchargers.com/ , http://www.paxtonauto.com/. Now if you want todo supercharging the rigthway an get up 85% i personaly recomend procharger www.procharger.com they use intercooling like a turbo to get cold air into the intake make make monster power. good luck

yea, i just relized i must have been looking at something totally diffrent, but oh well. btw are you able to adjust the bost from a supercharger?

[SpikeD]

of course boost is adjustable, as far as i know the bigger the pulley the more boost you'll crank out of it. im guessing there are other ways but im not all knowing an all powerfull yet so thats all i got on adjusting boost.

[Viper_Storm]

Originally Posted by SpikeD

of course boost is adjustable, as far as i know the bigger the pulley the more boost you'll crank out of it. im guessing there are other ways but im not all knowing an all powerfull yet so thats all i got on adjusting boost.

ok, how will i know which one is for me? the 2200 at paxton is nice, but its used a mustang? are the super chargers universal? will my car still be street legal with one of thos? its good that they are adhjustable becasue at first it will be just a mildly tuned z but later i plan on an engine swap to a better LS engine...maybe an ls1 covette race engine or the ls7 (if i can afford it at the time).

[SpikeD]

Well superchargers themself should be universal, but its all about fitting the tubing. since you bright it up i think the last time i looked at paxton i got pissed an closed the web page cause all i saw were chargers for the mustangs. i recomend that you look at procharger, they'll have you want.

[Viper_Storm]

lol, ok, i will check on them

[SpikeD]

just make sure you stay away from any scams about electric superchargers! superchargers increase compression while forcing air into the block, an electric fan claiming to give HP isnt worth even thinking about

[89IROC&RS]

exactly the superchargers used on production engines that are roots style (twin screw) like on the supercharged mustangs, are for fuel injection, and there is a supercharger called a magnacharger that will work on the LS1. and will fit under the stock hood.

The superchargers you were looking at are large roots style blowers that are designed off of the ones originally used on big diesl engines. thats why they are so big. its also where the designations come from. an 8-71 blower was used on an 8 cylender Disle engine with each cylender displacing 71 cubic inches. or something like that.

spikeD is correct in that most underhood superchargers are like those from Vortec or Paxton, and are centrifugal.

personally after doing my research the only benifit to a supercharger i have found is the ease of install. Turbochargers have a bad rep because the older ones were plagued with turbo lag, overboost, and sluggish response to engine conditions, and when you let the engine slow down, the turbo would loose boost and youd have lag again. superchargers are dependant on engine speed, producing very little boost at low rpms, and building boost as the rpms rise, creating a very "peaky" hp band.

a modern, complete turbo setup will provide far more hp over the powerband, sacrificing little hp at peak to the centrifugal supercharger. Turbos also make more torque. With blowoff valves and... cant remember the other part, tubros can maintain their boost even after the engine speed drops, and can limit their boost to prevent overboosting. also modern tubos have nearly eliminated turbo lag, with better designed impeller blades and some even have variable geometry impeller blades. they are harder to route, but i would go with a turbo over a supercharger, unless you just want a quick clean install. in that case i would go with a magnacharger.

[Viper_Storm]

lol, ok, who makes a complete Turbo charger kit (a really big turbo) for the ls1 camaro? im pretty sure that boost is changeable with turbos to but they arent pulley driven so how would you lower or raise the boost with a turbo?

[89IROC&RS]

the boost is not really controlled so much as limited. with a blower you can control how high your boost is by changing your pullies. a smaller pully will create more boost, a larger pully will creat less boost.

with a turbo, they will continue to make more boost untill you bleed it off. hence the waste gate,haha, thats what its called. and blowoff valves. to control your level of boost and turbo speed.

as far as a complete ready to install setup, i would look into lingenfelter, i know they have a twin turbo setup for the LS1 with intercoolers that they put on the vette, im not sure what setup they have for the F-body, but im sure they have one.

[SpikeD]

With blowoff valves and... cant remember the other part

wastegate, might be what your looken for. Lingenfelter an others make twin turbo systems for the ls1, turbos adjust there boost through a boost controller an again other things i dono about, by pushing more recycled exaust through the turbo, the biggest turbos i know of are 88mm T1's or T4s, you'll ony need on of those tobe make like 30 lbs of boost huge HP! i think twin turbo systems make more power quicker using smaller tubros.

[Viper_Storm]

ok, thanks for the info