"Released early on good behaviour" Serious question, poll.

[-Davo]

A recent e-mail sent to me which held a story of two 11 year old boys in Liverpool, England, butchered a 3 year old, in February of 1993. I originally thought it was a hoax as the e-mail didn't give any more information, but I ran a search for one of the names of the accused, and to my suprise found this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Venables

And this:

http://www.karisable.com/mbulg.htm

Here is the e-mail:

Please read this and do what you think is right. What these 2 idiot boys did was wrong and DISGUSTING.
Do you remember February 1993 when a young 3 yr old was taken from shopping mall in Liverpool by two 10-year-old boys. Jamie Bulger walked away from his mother for only a second and Jon Venables took his hand and led him out of the mall with his friend Robert Thompson. They took Jamie on a walk for over 2 and a half miles, along the way stopping every now and again to torture the poor little boy who was crying constantly for his mummy. Finally they stopped at a railway track where they brutally kicked him, threw stones at him, rubbed paint in his eyes and pushed batteries up his anus. It was actually worse than this... What these two boys did was so horrendous that Jamie's mother was forbidden to identify his body. They then left his beaten small body on the tracks so a train could run him over to hide the mess they had created. These two boys, even being boys, understood what they did was wrong, hence trying to make it look like an accident. This week Lady Justice Butler-Sloss has awarded the two boys anonymity for the rest of their lives when they leave custody with new identities. We cannot let this happen. They will also leave early this year only serving just over half of their sentence. One paper even stated that Robert may go on to University. They are getting away with their crime. They disgustingly and violently took Jamie's life away in return they get a new life. Please read it carefully...then add your name at the end... and send it to everyone you can! Please add your name and location to the list and send it to friends and family. Please copy this e-mail (highlight text, right click, copy and paste into a new email) instead of forwarding so we do not get arrows at the beginning of the sentences. If you are the 220th person to sign, please forward this e-mail to [email protected] and attention it to Lady Justice Butler-Sloss. Then start the list over again and send to your friends and family. The Love-Bug virus took less that 72 hours to reach the world. I hope this one does as well. We need to protect our family and friends from creatures like Robert and Jon. One day they may be living next to you and your small children, without your knowledge. If Robert and Jon could be so evil at 10 years old, imagine what they could do as adults!


As you can see, if you bothered to read all of it (I didn't) it's very non-specific, no links, no real "dates", no nothing, but names.

The Wikipedia websites says this:

Thompson and Venables were released on a life licence in June 2001 after serving eight years of their ten-year sentence (reduced for good behaviour),

Here is my question to you, the good people of AF, and I can't stress enough, I wish not to argue, simply for your opinions, please do NOT harass, insult, abuse, or challenge others' views without a proper reason, and sufficient backup argument, I don't want another flame thread.



If a murder, rapist, child molestor, terrorist, theif, or drunk driver etc, are service xxx amount of years jail for their crime, is being good whilst serving their sentence a justified reason to serve a less time? In other words, should these murders be let out early, regardless of whether they are "good"?

I feel that being properly behaved does not account for their crimes. They still did what they did, they should serve no less than what the law gives them. Not let out 2 years early because they "crossed their t's and dotted their i's"


Thanks for your input, I will get back to you guys on Sunday night, or monday, as I am away for the weekend.

-Davo out.

[fredjacksonsan]

Serve your time. If you were aware that what you did was wrong (not mentally incompetent) then you should serve your entire sentence.

Time off for good behavior should only be made for accidental things, where there was no criminal intent.

[YogsVR4]

There should be no such thing as time off for good behavior. There should be additional time for bad behavior.

[TexasF355F1]

Originally Posted by YogsVR4

There should be no such thing as time off for good behavior. There should be additional time for bad behavior.

I agree, we are too soft on ALL criminals. I mean someone can get sentenced to 40 years, but as long as they are 'model' inmates they can be released as early as 20 years. Why sentence them to 40 if 20 is all they're gonna do?

[thrasher]

Because 20 might be a sufficient amount of time, but then again it may not be. Things change over time, and early release allows prison sentences to change as well.

Originally Posted by YogsVR4

There should be no such thing as time off for good behavior. There should be additional time for bad behavior

This statement defies logic and makes absolutley no sense.

[fredjacksonsan]

Originally Posted by thrasher

Originally Posted by YogsVR4
There should be no such thing as time off for good behavior. There should be additional time for bad behavior


This statement defies logic and makes absolutley no sense.

How so? Good behavior in prison doesn't change the fact that the criminal did the crime he did. It doesn't bring someone back to life, or take away the wounds caused, or right any other wrongs the criminal did. Although they may come to be sorry for what they've done, they still did it.

If a criminal misbehaves in prison, there are already punishments for doing so; case in point: escapes. If a criminal attemts or succeeds at escape, they get additional jail time.

[Gotti]

Originally Posted by TexasF355F1

I agree, we are too soft on ALL criminals. I mean someone can get sentenced to 40 years, but as long as they are 'model' inmates they can be released as early as 20 years. Why sentence them to 40 if 20 is all they're gonna do?

You think its too soft in the states? lol You should see how it is Canada, laws are a joke. I know a person who got busted with an ounce of coke, he's still on bail but he's prolly not even going to get any jail time since its his first offence, i bet he'll only get house arrest. I know another guy whos always getting arrested, he got busted with a 1/2 ounce of coke and only got 6 months, prolly only gunna serve 3. And yet another guy who accidentaly killed somebody in a fight and he's only getting 4 years, he'll prolly get out in like a year maybe year and a 1/2 (because the time in jail before you get sentenced counts as double). I dont know anybody convicted of growing or selling weed that has ever gotten more than 3 months, its always probation and house arrest lol and thats for getting caught with alot of pounds.

Canada is a joke, thats why its a safe haven for criminals.

[TexasF355F1]

Originally Posted by Gotti

You think its too soft in the states? lol You should see how it is Canada, laws are a joke. I know a person who got busted with an ounce of coke, he's still on bail but he's prolly not even going to get any jail time since its his first offence, i bet he'll only get house arrest. I know another guy whos always getting arrested, he got busted with a 1/2 ounce of coke and only got 6 months, prolly only gunna serve 3. And yet another guy who accidentaly killed somebody in a fight and he's only getting 4 years, he'll prolly get out in like a year maybe year and a 1/2 (because the time in jail before you get sentenced counts as double). I dont know anybody convicted of growing or selling weed that has ever gotten more than 3 months, its always probation and house arrest lol and thats for getting caught with alot of pounds.

Canada is a joke, thats why its a safe haven for criminals.

I'm not talking about drug criminals. Honestly, most of them aren't violent they just want to sell. I, for some strange reason i suppose, think that a lot of them get too much time when violent criminals get too little.

Petaphiles in this country are getting crap sentences in my opinion. They should get life for doing things to kids. People want to make all child sex offenders have pink license plates so everyone will know. But all the P.C. people are crying about how its not right. Excuse me? It's not right to notify the entire public that these people once sexually abused a kid or kids, and could do it again.

[Rally Sport]

I think we're focusing on the wrong things here, what should really be adressed nowadays is women, they want equal rights, lets give them equal rights in crimes. I mean everyone knows about that runaway bride that got kidnapped and then later one came out and said it was all a hoax? she only got a slap on the wrist for what she did, NO JAIL TIME. Now if a guy did something similar you better believe he'd get something way worse.

[sivic02]

I think it all depends on the crime. For example if Jim went to jail for say having pot in his car, someone like that if they are good in prison, why not let them out early, its just eating up our tax money anyway. But if you have someone who say raped a little girl, that bastard should rot for his full time, at least.

[drewh4386]

Originally Posted by Rally Sport 92

I think we're focusing on the wrong things here, what should really be adressed nowadays is women, they want equal rights, lets give them equal rights in crimes. I mean everyone knows about that runaway bride that got kidnapped and then later one came out and said it was all a hoax? she only got a slap on the wrist for what she did, NO JAIL TIME. Now if a guy did something similar you better believe he'd get something way worse.

yep to that. Let everybody get equal time for their punishment.

[Muscletang]

These little shit bag excuses for human beings should stay in prison until their skin falls off if you ask me.

What good behavior could possibly be done to cut down on their jail time of an aweful bad behavior? These kids tortured and murdered a two year old kid and should serve every single second of their time in jail. It'd take a hell of a whole lot of good behavior to cut down on their time.

[Knifeblade]

Well, my take on it is very old school, don't do the crime if you can't do the time, always around for any criminal act. Simple.

[carrrnuttt]

Good behavior?

They did enough, where I don't care if they resurrected Mother Teresa herself, and NOTHING they will ever do will ever be considered "good" by me.

They need to rot in either prison, or a psych hospital, where doctors can dissect their brains to study how fucks like them can ever be born.

While they're at it, their parents need to join them, so that they may never breed again.

[-Davo]

If we can determine the difference between moral right and wrong, and legal right and wrong, why can't the courts?

Thanks for your guys' inputs.