who said our cars cant handle?

youngvr4 · #1 06-09-2005, 02:56 PM

http://www.nsxprime.com/FAQ/Media/ma...90-12-mt-h.jpg

and this is just the 1st gen, i've had mr2 owners say there car can out handle ours by a looong shot, check out the site

btw, they suck at launching obviously lol

want a supra · #2 06-09-2005, 03:03 PM

The NSX and the VR-4 have the same lateral acceleration, and set nearly the same lap time, umm...

Igovert500 · #3 06-09-2005, 03:23 PM

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btw, they suck at launching obviously lol

Yeah, no joke. 6.4 for a 0-60 and 14.7 1/4 for the stealth...please

But interesting article nonetheless. I wonder why they noted such drastically different top speeds for the 2? So did you show this to Jeff (Jekyl+Hyde) yet?

youngvr4 · #4 06-09-2005, 04:12 PM

LOL, no, but lachean needs to see it, he beleives the mr2's handle like gods(they do handle nice though)

Yaggus · #5 06-10-2005, 02:43 AM

I dont mean to detract from the handling capabilities of the 3000gt but have you considered that they just might not have been that good at driving the MR2? You have already said that they arent very good at launching the stealth/3000gt so by the same factor, they might not know how to drive an MR2 to its full extent. Im just dubious about the results of this particular test given that its already has one 'flaw.' That being the poor acceleration results of the 3000gt's/stealths. It is common knowlage that MR2's handle VERY well. One would think that it would have performed better comparitively.

JekylandHyde · #6 06-10-2005, 11:45 AM

lol ... you guys crack me up.

I have that article, actually I think I sold it a bit ago.

First off, I do not put a lot of weight in their results, but let's work with their numbers since they offer more than we have on our own. ok?

Let's review the data .... we are discussing "handling" in this thread and there are only 2 numbers there that really tell us anything about the handling ability: slalom and lateral acceleration.

The LA is so close on all of the cars, I would say the difference is negligible.

Of all of the numbers presented, the Slalom speed says the most about the cars handling IMO ... notice the MR2 is on top?

Let me volunteer, that I am sure a big advantage the MR2 had in the slalom was it's relative size -- not just it's handling.

I think it is fair to say the road course results have a lot to do with power to the ground as much as handling and obviously the MR2 was getting it's butt handed to it in the acceleration contests so it is not surprising that it would lose badly on a road course.

An autocross would have been an interesting test to add to this battery.

At any rate, I wish the different car communities would start to learn from each other rather than build animosity. Sports cars are awesome machines and each have different things that they are better at and all of them can be modified to improve this or that aspect. In the last 2 weeks I have been hanging out with a father/son F-Body domestic racing family that I am learning a lot from. I suspect I will be able to apply a bunch of their stuff to my car.

I think the most important phrase in the article linked to is:

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... these cars are so close ... that a good driver in the slowest would easily outdistance even a fairly proficient "enthusiast" driver in the fastest.

Igovert500 · #7 06-10-2005, 02:20 PM

No animosity here...I think we all love the mr2s as well.

youngvr4 · #8 06-10-2005, 03:20 PM

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No animosity here...I think we all love the mr2s as well.

exactly, its just we, are underestimated in our handling abilities soooo much, its rediculous.

i honestly feel, that slalom has almost more to do with the tires than anything. for instance, the mr-2 and the vr4 has a better slalom then the mclaren F1......... what does that tell you?

like 500 said, we love the mr2's and actually every other car thats in that comparison, but its something i posted to show that our cars do handle faaaar better than most think.

and to yaggus, maybe they couldnt drive the mr2 very well, and then maybe they werent drivng the vr4 very well either.
i'm not saying this is the all end of what can handle best, its not at all, handling has soooo much to do with the driver, in any case, our handling numbers are strong, and the vr4 handles very very well, most think opposite, but have never driven the vr4........ go figure

youngvr4 · #9 06-10-2005, 03:25 PM

and jeckyle, what do you mean about the slalom, mr2 slalom 64 mph and vr4 66mph

JekylandHyde · #10 06-10-2005, 03:27 PM

If I had to guess, people probably assume the VR4 does not handle well because it is heavy and it is big. Neither of these characteristics are generally used within the same sentence as "good handling."

I'm sure the VR4 can hold it's own on a road course, but how do they do autocrossing? I would think it's shear size would make it problematic on a lot of courses.

I am also suspect of that articles braking distance times.

JekylandHyde · #11 06-10-2005, 03:31 PM

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and jeckyle, what do you mean about the slalom, mr2 slalom 64 mph and vr4 66mph

DOH!!!

Having looked at the 0-30, 0-60, 1/4 mile and raod course times ... my mind was thinking the MR2 had the quickest time on the slalom.

... my tail tickles my hiney as I stick it between my legs.

Regardless, we all agree those results ar bogus ... right?

youngvr4 · #12 06-10-2005, 03:44 PM

to a certain extent, lot of those numbers were proven again and again for our car(and some of the others), some were not, every test is diff. again, its the driver.

Igovert500 · #13 06-10-2005, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by JekylandHyde

how do they do autocrossing?

http://www.3si.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=63

Yaggus · #14 06-11-2005, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by youngvr4

and to yaggus, maybe they couldnt drive the mr2 very well, and then maybe they werent drivng the vr4 very well either.
i'm not saying this is the all end of what can handle best, its not at all, handling has soooo much to do with the driver, in any case, our handling numbers are strong, and the vr4 handles very very well, most think opposite, but have never driven the vr4........ go figure

And thats all i was saying. If they couldnt launch the 3000gt properly then maybe they didnt know how to handle the MR2 properly either. I have nothing against the 3000gt or the MR2. Ironically, Im buying my Girlfriend and MR2 for her 21st next year. And once I have bought that then ill be buying a GTO. Hence my interest in them and why i browse this forum.

I would probably have gotten a GTO sooner but im going around the world for 6 months at the end of the year and thats gonna cost me $15,000 of my GTO funds. Once i get back however...

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