I don't want to hear anyone complaining about GM anymore.

[BlenderWizard]

Read it and weep http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/...a-recall_x.htm

[kenny-1907]

All that proves is that other vehicle manufacturers produce crap at times to , they are just willing to stand behind their product and repair it at their own cost and not call it "normal"

[TexasF355F1]

Originally Posted by kenny-1907

All that proves is that other vehicle manufacturers produce crap at times to , they are just willing to stand behind their product and repair it at their own cost and not call it "normal"

Yep. I think that makes Toyota still look like a better company than GM or Ford. Probably why GM and Ford sells are almost at a double loss and Toyota and Honda are double up.

[who fan]

Originally Posted by kenny-1907

All that proves is that other vehicle manufacturers produce crap at times to , they are just willing to stand behind their product and repair it at their own cost and not call it "normal"

$30,000 +, cost of a new truck. Just think how much work you have to do to earn that, over and above your other expences. "Normal" is hard to swallow. It will be a sad day when Toyota tops GM. Our car companys seen this comming a long long time ago. The executives arent worth what they make. Anyone running a car company should have a passion for the product and not worry about Wall street, that will take care of itself. Years ago cars guys ran the companys. Seems like Diamler Chrysler has a car guy calling the shots for them. The Germans are doing a good job with Chrysler. I can see Ford comming around too. GM had a beautiful Belair concept a couple of years ago why don`t they build it? GM focuses too much on one thing only and saturates the market with it. We should be leading Toyota not following it. We lost the vision our forfathers had.

[BlenderWizard]

Alright, I've owned hondas, mitsus, oldsmobiles, fords and chevys. Cold weather, first start of the day piston slap IS NORMAL. All the vehicles I've owned do it, and they have spanned from year model 84 to 96. I am excluding my current silverado because I've only had it since April, and I've heard no slap, but the weather's been pretty warm.

[BlenderWizard]

I'm not saying that the others aren't good, but I am saying that the GM trucks are no better or worse than the rest of the bunch. GM has issued like 3 recalls on our trucks since the beginning of the year, and they are taking care of their own. I may be wrong, and maybe the piston slap happens all the time to those of you who it happens to, but what I keep reading says "Cold start/Cold weather piston slap." All 9 of my other cars and trucks that I have owned over the years have done exactly the same thing, though. GM has issued recalls on their known problems, but all I was trying to do is point out that they ALL have problems.

[who fan]

Originally Posted by BlenderWizard

Alright, I've owned hondas, mitsus, oldsmobiles, fords and chevys. Cold weather, first start of the day piston slap IS NORMAL. All the vehicles I've owned do it, and they have spanned from year model 84 to 96. I am excluding my current silverado because I've only had it since April, and I've heard no slap, but the weather's been pretty warm.

Could be that your Silverado is new or a newer model that GM has since resolved the piston slap issue. If your truck developes this problem I will guarantee you that you will not like it.
Iv`e owned over 10 vehicles in my life and drove many others. Iv`e only had the problem once before in a 74 Malibu with well over 100,000 miles on it. IT was nowhere near as harsh as my Silverado. I really hope you don`t have this problem. Its more than a slight tap. Sounds just like a cold diesel on start up. Can`t be good for longevity. This problem would bankrupt GM if they were to address it. Its not as simple as a part replacment. Even to fix current production (if not done already) would be a huge undertaking. redesigning the pistions and machinery thats used to produce the engines. I can`t blame them for looking the other way. Its a monster! GM should do more endurance testing before they push the green button.

[BlenderWizard]

mine is an '02

[BlenderWizard]

here's an owner talking about piston slap on his Toyota. Says it had the problem from day 1.
http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/[email protected]/817

[who fan]

Originally Posted by BlenderWizard

here's an owner talking about piston slap on his Toyota. Says it had the problem from day 1.
http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/[email protected]/817

I like your post you make some very good points. I love cars and am interested in the industry I don`t work in it though. I was once a ford guy turned Chevy guy. The best vehicle I ever had is my wifes Plymouth Voyager 99 model. So I guess is the luck of the draw and I`m a nobody guy now.
Getting to my post, GM is in trouble. I think a lot of people here aren`t here to bash GM they are just disgusted. GM should be a lot better off than they are now product wise . Our government needs to do something about health care cost, that is sucking our economy dry. Somebody somwere is making a lot of money. Health care is not GM`s fault. But product and lacking of hybrid technology is. GM should be the cutting edge in the industry like they once were.Given the cost of a new vehicle we demand good value. I think the 99-05 trucks are the nicest GM ever built but I do think the 88-98s were better built. Thats where my bitch is.
Most of us love GM, its just sickening to see whats happening. I would really like to talk off record with a engineer to see where the compromise is. I feel the top people with say so don`t know s--t about cars, they are bussiness men. Design and engineering should have more say so. GMs best ideas are the ones that get shelved. I seen a prototype of a belar if they would only build it. Ford got the new mustang right. they can`t build enough of them. I hope the mechanials are as nice as the car.

[kenny-1907]

Originally Posted by who fan

$30,000 +, cost of a new truck. Just think how much work you have to do to earn that, over and above your other expences. "Normal" is hard to swallow.

I agree 100%

[kenny-1907]

Originally Posted by BlenderWizard

Alright, I've owned hondas, mitsus, oldsmobiles, fords and chevys. Cold weather, first start of the day piston slap IS NORMAL. All the vehicles I've owned do it, and they have spanned from year model 84 to 96. I am excluding my current silverado because I've only had it since April, and I've heard no slap, but the weather's been pretty warm.

I have owned an 88 K1500 jimmy with the 5.7 in it , a 96 sierra with the 5.7 as well and currently my 2000 Silverado with the 4.8 and THANKFULLY i do not and have never had piston slap on any of them and it is not like it does not get cold here either. In the winter months it can dip to as low as -55c like it did 2 years ago.

[kenny-1907]

Originally Posted by who fan

........... GM is in trouble. I think a lot of people here aren`t here to bash GM they are just disgusted. GM should be a lot better off than they are now product wise ................

By no means am i here to bash GM at all. I am definitely a die hard GM guy but i just think they should stand behind their product a little better than they are. I could almost care less as to how many problems that may arise with my Silverado but don't try and tell me that it is "normal" I mean who in their right mind can call knocking, pinging, slapping or what ever you want to call it on a cold started engine normal. If i have a problem with something and they are willing to own up to it and say it is their design fault and they will repair it at no charge to me THAT is what makes a good company, not worrying about what it will cost to fix. If a company is willing to take a bit of a loss to make a customer satisfied, that is a company that is going to get a future referal of new customers from me.

[Moose is loose]

"This problem would bankrupt GM if they were to address it. Its not as simple as a part replacment. Even to fix current production (if not done already) would be a huge undertaking. redesigning the pistions and machinery thats used to produce the engines. I can`t blame them for looking the other way. Its a monster! GM should do more endurance testing before they push the green button."

100% agreed. This isn't a case of a bad tailgate cable, or adding grease to your poorly designed intermediate shaft; this is big. Something like 2 million engines big. Sorry guys, a Nissan is next for me.

[jeverett]

Originally Posted by Moose is loose

Sorry guys, a Nissan is next for me.

As for me also. I'm keeping my Silvy, but also purchasing a Titan very soon.