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04-12-2002, 11:38 AM
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Napster hates Metallica
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04-12-2002, 12:12 PM
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Megadeth is better :ylsuper
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04-12-2002, 01:01 PM
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04-12-2002, 03:02 PM
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na, i just said that cuz megadeth is sort of the anti-metallica. i like both bands
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04-12-2002, 08:09 PM
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04-12-2002, 08:52 PM
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Metallica was such a dominating band in the late 1980's. They created the "mainstream" (metal was always underground back then, and never enjoyed the same level of publicity that contemporary metal bands like Disturbed, Godsmack, and System of a Down enjoy) thrash style of metal that so many bands of the 90's and today ultimately molded themselves after. The forefront of MTV was ruled by bands like Def Leppard, Poison, and Van Halen. Metallica and other metal bands were banished to being played only during Headbanger's Ball. Finding an audience was a lot tougher back then - and it had to be done the old-fashioned way. The big four of thrash metal, though they all played it very differently, were Metallica, Megadeth, Anthrax, and Slayer. I think there can be zero debate about which of the bands was the most influential. I remember hearing radio clips after Puppets and Justice were released, of metal heads who said they listened to Metallica, and only Metallica. They were the larger than life core of heavy metal. And for the die hards, for them to change (remember that Lars said they would never record a ballad (they broke this promise with Nothing Else Matters), never make a video (they broke this promise with One), and one other... ) in order to sell more records was the ultimate slap in the face for the band that once established the underground scene of heavy metal. You may recall the turn towards heavier music Pantera made after Metallica released "the black album". They were just one of many bands that were ashamed that a band they had admired, that had helped put their music on the map, had abandoned their "throne" for the fame and fortune of mainstream culture. It would be a little different if they were a band that never found success doing what they were doing. On the contrary, they found, IMO, more success in metal than any other band in history (arguably Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, and Guns and Roses are exceptions). They betrayed those they had built themselves on. They made an entire generation of pop culture kids (myself included) into metal heads, and left us with sloppy seconds of who they once were. It is a little unfair to affiliate their success with selling out, but I have little doubt that Lars knew what he was doing. He has shown himself to be a wise and cunning marketer and businessman through the years. So he and the rest of the guys from Metallica chose to piss away their standings and respect among the underground fanbase. It was their choice. And it can be seen today how the other bands (Megadeth, Anthrax, Slayer, Pantera), though less successful, carried the torch, and defended their reputations among their fans by never straying from the path of the music they had built their reputations performing.
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04-12-2002, 09:24 PM
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.jpg) ______________________________ My Favorite SET LIST: 0º The Good The Bad the Ungly, 1º So What, 2º Blackened, 3º Sad But True,4º Master of Puppets, 5º Creeping Death, 6º The Four Horseman, 7º One, 8º Better Than Thou, 9º Die Die my Darling, 10º No Leaf Glover, 11º Seek & Destroy, 12º Killing Time, 13º Devil's Dance, 14º Ain't my Bitch, 15º Fuel, 16º Disponsable Heroes, 17º Fade to Black, 18º Enter Sandman, 19º Breadfan, 20º Turn the Page, 21º Wherever I my Roam
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04-13-2002, 12:51 PM
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You have a point, JD, but how many times can you listen to "Reinventing the Steel" without going nuts and smashing the CD? I Like pantera and the rest, but their music is just same shit, different day. Its the same as it was in 85. Now i dont know why people are so afraid of change. What is so horrible about Nothing Else Matters? Oh, lars broke a couple promises. He's a horrid man, cause NOBODY ever breaks promises. The point is, Metallica is what brought metal from underground to mainstream, and when that transition happens, you have to make a few sacrificies, like YES, doing a video, and YES having to let MTV play it. But that's the only sacrifice they made. Everything else they did was to their own accord. Nobody TOLD them to do Nothing Else Matters, they just did it because they wanted to. Same thing with Load and ReLoad.
But i already wrote up a big long post aobut this before. So go read that if you want to.
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04-13-2002, 04:44 PM
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You're right Steel (and correct that I certainly can't listen to Reinventing the Steel more than every so often). The facts are not in debate here, we seem to agree on how Metallica changed in relation to the other kings of thrash metal. I think our dissention lies in how we interpret the motivations and effects of their actions.
I can't argue with you that change is necessary. Slayer is a band that I think needs to reinvent themselves if they hope to find any new form of success. IMO, they really haven't done much of anything new since Seasons, and I consider their plateau to have been reached, and that today we see the sun setting on them. Pantera is still a vibrant band, and though major changes are absent in their new material, their style is timeless enough that they can still sell records and keep a winning formula. More like Slipknot and the current large bands of the heavy metal underground, they lack the benefit of radio play, generally speaking, as a portion of their success (at least around here, I pretty much never hear Pantera on the radio). Anthrax, much as I love the band, both new recordings and old, has like Slayer dropped from the spotlight. It pisses me off, because for me their formula still works. Perhaps they too need a reinvention (and the controversy over their name may help get their foot in the door). This leaves the discussion to Metallica and Megadeth. Megadeth took a turn towards "softer" subjects, simply a turn of events related to overbearing producing, and Dave Mustaine's intermittent cycle of rehab. and relapse when Cryptic Writings and Risk were released, only to rehash into the older style of speed metal he had made the band famous for earlier in their career with Hero. Despite variations in subject content, the music quality never really strayed from the path of what Megadeth had built their reputation recording. That cannot be taken away from Megadeth. But it can be taken away from Metallica. And herein lies the key difference. Try to learn some of the riffs from Puppets, and it may take weeks to even a couple months to get some of the guitar work down just right. Now try the same thing with material from Load and Reload. You will find that the level of complexity has tapered off considerably. Conventional hard rock and heavy metal music was forever changed by the grunge scene and its influences. Gone are Kirk's screaming guitar solos from the days of old, as one example of how Metallica has changed. True, guitar solos in general are less common today, but their absence is particularly noticeable in Metallica's case. They still release some heavy, kick ass songs (Fuel, Devil's Dance, etc.), but they have strayed far enough from their roots with much of the music from Load and Reload to no longer represent the scene they once owned. Defend them as you will, I know I represent the cynic's point of view here, but you will have trouble changing the viewpoints of many of their old school fans who see the band as I do. Change is good, but within reason. Beyond that, and you are forming a new identity, and abandoning who you used to be. The fact that Megadeth, Anthrax, Slayer, and Pantera hold onto their old school fan bases drives home the point.
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