why isnt this done more

[kingpinn]

i was looking at the most bang for the buck and im not sayin i would do it but why dont more people put the h22 in their 4g?

http://www.hmotorsonline.com/shop/sc...age&item=30016


it would seem to me that with this set up it wouldnt be unreasonable to think you could hit mid to low 14s with few or no mods

And, would someone explain to me this bracket thats used to hook up a b series trans to the H motors?

[Exempt]

The main problem with the H is its a heavy engine, compared to the engine that our 4G was designed for to begin with... So you will need to upgrade the suspension and brakes... All this adds up... And youll still have clearence issues with the hood, and the space in the engine compartment... Its rare if it all, that u can get A/C with the H also, but with a B its not much harder to keep your A/C... Plus think how much a pain it would be to squeeze it in there, and then once u get it in, to work on it... Its probably best for the money, to just swap in a GSR engine...

[CivicSpoon]

Because you'll need more than just what the "complete swap" comes with to get it in your car and running. And it's a big engine for a small enging compartment. If you do a search on here you'll find a ton more info on it.

I'd think it would be reasonable to hit mid to high 13's with the setup. I saw a guy with a stock h22a block (no upgraded internals) in a '96-'98 Civic hb that did 13.8-.9 at a track one night. So with the much lighter 4th gens, I'm sure you could do better if you got traction and knew how to launch.

The "bracket" is an adapter plate that helps match up the bolt patterns so you can use a b-series tranny on H & F series engines. If you do a search over at honda-tech, you'll find a ton of info on it (as well as people who make them).

[kingpinn]

i looked on here before i ask and there is alot of good stuff but theres is somthing about posting that helps me understand more i quess because i can ask exactly what i dont know or i quess im a weird . but i did think i read some where that the h22 was only like 17lbs more but maybe not

[maxassassin]

basicly the only realy way u need to think of this as is tryin to stick the square block i nthe round hole. its jsut not really possible unless you modify.

[honda_racing101]

Yeah like stated above the H22 is a heavy engine, and its a really tight fit in the engine compartment. If the suspension and brakes were already upgraded then it might be better but if not then its not worth the money. And you have to remeber that H22's arent very boost friendly, high comp. and thin cylinder walls. Of course with a rebuild the H22 could handle more boost but thats even more to spend.

[Exempt]

Originally Posted by kingpinn

i looked on here before i ask and there is alot of good stuff but theres is somthing about posting that helps me understand more i quess because i can ask exactly what i dont know or i quess im a weird . but i did think i read some where that the h22 was only like 17lbs more but maybe not

Well, ppl do argue that its only like 30 lbs more than a B series, which may be true, but they tend to forget that the USDM 88-91 Civic/CRX chasis wasnt made to fit the B series engines, rather a smaller D... So if the B is already a bigger engine, then u go and add 30 more lbs on top of an already heavy engine, thats alot of weight in a chasis that wasnt made for it...


IMO the 'best bang for the buck' is what ppl usually do, and thats the B16A1... This is because its not very expensive, and is a large increase in power stock, plus has plenty of potential for upgrades... And it dosnt have any noticable negative effects on the chasis...

[doug294]

Your handling will suck big time. Plus IMO the best bang for the buck isn't the B16.

[CivicSpoon]

Originally Posted by honda_racing101

And you have to remeber that H22's arent very boost friendly, high comp. and thin cylinder walls.

Not thin, they are made of some kind of fiber and don't work well with aftermarket pistons.

Originally Posted by Exempt

...but they tend to forget that the USDM 88-91 Civic/CRX chasis wasnt made to fit the B series engines, rather a smaller D...

JDM or USDM, the SiR came with a B16a stock. So technically speaking, they were made to fit a B-series.

But I completely agree with the rest. Daily driver/weekend cruiser Drag car only

[Exempt]

Originally Posted by CivicSpoon

JDM or USDM, the SiR came with a B16a stock. So technically speaking, they were made to fit a B-series.

The SiR models were also equipped with a better suspension and braking system... And no, the USDM models were not made for a B, if they were, u wouldnt have to pound a 2 inch hole in the frame for the alternator, or have a hood that barely clears the height of the B16... Where as the SiR is a direct fit with no clearence issues...

The 4thgenerationcivic site goes into detail how the EF8 and EF9 have been modified to handle the larger more powerful B...

http://www.4thgenerationcivic.com/JD...DM/jdm_sir.htm

[kingpinn]

ok thats kool guys thanks

[Exempt]

Originally Posted by doug294

Plus IMO the best bang for the buck isn't the B16.

Well, what is it? Now u got me curious...

[doug294]

IMO the best bang for the buck is a B18. I have seen full swaps (minus mounts) here got for $500-600.

[kingpinn]

yeah but for some where around 2500 to 3k you can be around high 13's that would seem to me as good bang for the buck with the h22

[Exempt]

Originally Posted by doug294

IMO the best bang for the buck is a B18. I have seen full swaps (minus mounts) here got for $500-600.

Hmm, u might have a point there... Then it also gives u oppurtunity to go LS/VTEC or turbo...