02 GSXR600 vs 05 S.HAWK 996 vs TRIUMPH D600?

[94tegRS]

ok, heres the deal, my friend has a 02 GSXR600, my other friend just bought a super hawk, I think 04, and I just bought my 04 daytona 600(Ive owned an R1 before so no crap about this being my first bike).

it really doesnt bother me much because I know any new bike is going to be fairly quikc if your in the sport/sport-touring category especially.

now I thought, and so did the Gixxer owner, that our 600's were probably a bit quicker than the hawk cuz its heavier and not a high-strung inline 4.

specs in my manual put me even on HP and 1 ft/lb behind on torque at similar revs, and mine is 7 pounds heavier. I think the hawk is like 60 pounds heavier than mine and I know he has much more torque because of the fact that is a V-twin along with the larger displacement.

he always says his is faster and I dont argue because why do I need to prove him wrong in front of me and other bike riders that probably know the real deal. but I just got told last night that this kid with the hawk told everyone at this party that his bike will flat out SMOKE both of ours. I was wondering after my 1k break-in who should win in a race.

I think the gixxer's got me because it feels like it pulls lots harder down low but then again mines not broken in and I cant even go WOT yet(or not supposed to) and as far as top end I cant say because I havent hit the high revs in mine. but I remember one time being told here that the ducati 996(i think) I wanted wouldnt hold its ground to the japanese 600's (yes I know mines not japanese) because they are lighter and are inline vs V-twin.

[Z_Fanatic]

my money is on the superhawk, unless the rider is lame. why don't you go find out.

for the record, whoever said Ducati 996 would be outdragged by mere 600s is an idiot.

[aussieidiot]

750 twins are in the same category as 600's although usually get beaten.
so the hawk is equal to 750's
sorry dude but your daytona may be original and a nice lookin bike but its got nothing on any jap 600 with the same quality rider

big come down from an r1.

big difference between the twins and 4's is start off acceleration. then twin will get off the line quicker until the 4 wind's out to high revs

[MARS]

I Would Say The Super Chicken! He'll Definately Get You Off The Line. How Skilled Are You On The Twisties? In My Opinion, Anyone Can Go Straight And Fast. But You Go Through The Twisties And See Who's Faster!!

[Z_Fanatic]

was R1 too much for ya?

[aussieidiot]

ooooh ouch.

but me thinks the z would give his left nut for an r1

hey mars, can i get my shift key back soon. thanks
by the way good choice on bike

[94tegRS]

no the R1 was not too much for me at all. I just was in a spot where I had to get rid of it, it was pouring down rain all day every day and my car broke down to where it wasnt just a couple-days-spent, cheap fix problem, so I had to sell the bike and buy a car to get back and forth to work.

and of course this is a step down from an R1, but I wanted new, and didnt get financed for a 1 liter, and my friends all have japanese sportbikes and on the island I live on I am the only one with a triumph sport bike. it is fast enough, noone ever NEEDS a liter bike, its just that it can be more fun at times and gives you more bragging rights.

but my friend says he found an old cycle world and supposedly my bike runs an 11.2 and the chicken runs an 11.5, and his 600 runs like a 10.6 but he says hes seen someone run a 10.2 on his.

[94tegRS]

oh and on the twisties Id smoke him for sure, maybe thats good for him though that hes taking it easy, its his foirst biike, its not my first, hes got 3 times the miles that I do on mine and his wear pattern on his tires are like an inch and a 1/4 from the outside edge, mine are about a 1/4 inch from the edge.

[Z_Fanatic]

If you gotten used to the power of R1, I can tell you right now, you're going to miss it. Also I'm going to guess there's a Triumph dealer nearby? If you couldn't finance the liter, what about gixxer 750? Best of both worlds.

About the Superhawk, don't take 1/4 mile times too seriously, different mags have different results. But inherently, if both riders are equally able, then logically 996 cc Superhawk should have the upperhand, although it a bit weighs more, but displacement and torque should make up for it.

unless your friend has done some good mods to his bike (more than just replacing exhaust) or a very good rider himself, 10.6 is hard to believe, 04 gix 600 was able to break 10.65 in mag racers' hands, and that's a different bike. and also crap about 10.2 made me laugh, that's uh... liter bike territory.

also if this is his first bike, may be you shouldn't encourage him to be that competitve at this point. inexperience will get him into trouble where he might not able to react quickly as you can.

[MARS]

Originally Posted by Z_Fanatic

also if this is his first bike, may be you shouldn't encourage him to be that competitve at this point. inexperience will get him into trouble where he might not able to react quickly as you can.

Execellent point!

[92teggsr]

alright in this comparison the superhawk (it's an 03 by the way) would get killed. For one there isn't a sport touring bike in the world that I've come across that will hold it's own with a crotchrocket. for two i looked at three different magazine tests for a 01 (!!!) GSX-R 600 that not only had the 1/4 mile anywhere from 10.62-10.73 but also the bike put down more horsepower on the dyno than the 03 superawk. There is no question that his bike has more torque and i'm sure if we were both in 6th gear at 60 and got on it he'd get ahead but as far as raw acceleration the GSX-R (and the Triumph) would kill the Superhawk.

Here are the specs for all of them

04 Triumph Daytona 600
11.24 1/4 mile
99.0 HP on the Dyno
42lbs/t on the dyno
weight 363lbs

02 GSX-R
10.62 1/4 mile
103.0 HP on the Dyno
49.5lbs/t on the dyno
weight 354lbs

03 superhawk
11.54 1/4 mile
100.0 HP on the Dyno
62lbs/t on the Dyno
weight 460lbs

[94tegRS]

about the inexperience thing, I said that before both of you.

and no there is no triumph dealer nearby, there is yamaha/kawasaki/honda/suzuki/triumph dealers a ferry ride away and the 3 dealers are close by. its not because there was no japanese bike dealerships close by each other. and about the R1 thing, I honestly dont remember the power, I just remember it had LOTS. it was a long time ago I had the R1 so its not like I stepped off of a liter to a 600 a week later and remember anything to miss. I already have enough fun on my bike and I havent even broke 6k yet.

[Z_Fanatic]

Originally Posted by 92teggsr

alright in this comparison the superhawk (it's an 03 by the way) would get killed. For one there isn't a sport touring bike in the world that I've come across that will hold it's own with a crotchrocket. for two i looked at three different magazine tests for a 01 (!!!) GSX-R 600 that not only had the 1/4 mile anywhere from 10.62-10.73 but also the bike put down more horsepower on the dyno than the 03 superawk. There is no question that his bike has more torque and i'm sure if we were both in 6th gear at 60 and got on it he'd get ahead but as far as raw acceleration the GSX-R (and the Triumph) would kill the Superhawk.

Here are the specs for all of them

04 Triumph Daytona 600
11.24 1/4 mile
99.0 HP on the Dyno
42lbs/t on the dyno
weight 363lbs

02 GSX-R
10.62 1/4 mile
103.0 HP on the Dyno
49.5lbs/t on the dyno
weight 354lbs

03 superhawk
11.54 1/4 mile
100.0 HP on the Dyno
62lbs/t on the Dyno
weight 460lbs

Silly rabbit, specs are for squids.

You're right, gixxer is slightly faster than Superhawk in 1/4 mile, but Triumph still might be slower. However in midrange, torque is still immense in Superhawk compared to Suzuki or Triumph.

here's my reference:
http://sportrider.com/bikes/146_perf_nums/

By the way, the fallacy of your argument is that no sport tourer is faster than any "crotchrocket" (sportbikes). I can name at least three - Hayabusa, ZX-12R, Honda 1100 Blackbird. 1/4 mile time may be similar to literbikes, but they will absolutely decimate any 1000 cc higher in the revs.

[speediva]

Teg, I didn't think you had the spheres required to come back after last time.

I am going to leave this thread open for now... if it gets heated (knowing the history of this board, it MAY) then it gets closed.

[aussieidiot]

brrrr. its cold in here tange

i read a recent article testing the relevance of power to weight ratios and how they apply on the road.

the bikes were an 05 gixer 600, 05 cbr100xx blackbird and an aprillia mille R.

all with identical power to weight ratios.
1/4 mile blackbird wins, 0-100k's blackbird wins, roll on at 60k's blackbirds wins, top speed blackbird wins, twisties gixer600.

just because a bike is light doesn't tend to mean it's gunna kick ass until its flick time.

on one of my track days i had trouble getting last a ducati 900 tourer because of his low down torque. out of the corners they power out and get so far infront before iv'e even got to higher revs (i was on my gixer750)