SCAMMER ALERT! DO NOT Buy from doug294!!!

[amy@af]

my friend is being ripped off!!!

he (my friend) wanted the turbo that was listed in the classifieds. deposit was sent. sometime between 1/20-1/23 a money order was sent for the rest.

2/27 i let doug know it FINALLY ARRIVED & the turbo didn't line up and the exhaust mani was warped. i get this reply:

Originally Posted by doug294

Hey Lady just wanted to see if he got the kit on and running. I figured out why the turbo didn't line up with the mani. They used a regular DSM T28 flange for the mani and it was a regular T28 turbo. Why they did this since it came from the same place I don't know.

Anyways...Just keep me updated I am interested to see how well it "runs".

Thanks, Doug

on 4/21 i sent this message (which confirmation says was read the same day)

Originally Posted by LadyNRedSi

apparently the turbo manifold is warped. the flange where the turbo would mount was serverly heated and has made it unusable. dan would kindly like a refund for the manifold it's self, and is more than willing to ship it back to you.

i sorry for the late reply, my life is just plain busy at the moment.

amy

no reply. on 2/26 i send this reply:

Originally Posted by LadyNRedSi

a reply would be nice considering you read my last pm on 4-21-05. please don't leave me hanging....

here is where it startes to go down hill, his reply:

Originally Posted by doug294

Hey sorry read it on my way out and forgot about it. The is brand new never used (Never even bolted up). I don't see how it could be warped unless he torqued it down to tight and warped it.

What part of the manifold is he actually saying is warped? Tell him sorry, but I am not working, full time student, and have no money flow. I really don't have the funds to give him the money for the manifold & don't see me being at fault because it was in perfect new condition when shipped.

my reply:

Originally Posted by LadyNRedSi

he brought it by for us to look yesterday. unfortunatly i didn't have my digi cam on me.

it is still never installed. it will be impossible to install. where it bolts up to the head it is bowed a good 1/4", it won't seat flat. you can see how bowed/warped it is visually with your eyes.

that is unexceptable. what you are basically saying is he paid you, now your stuff is running, too bad for him. that is wrong. he had been saving towards turbo for over 9 months, money doesn't grow on trees for him either. now he just spent the money he saved on a useless part.

as i stated before, he will gladly send the exhaust mani back for a refund on it. you sent him a 100% unusable part, which is not what he paid for. you can easily visually see it's warped...if you didn't notice then it is completely your fault for not noticing in the first place and then trying to sell it.

amy

his reply:

Originally Posted by doug294

Well in that case I will give him $25 back. He paid $900 for turbo kit that I had over $1500 invested, so he got his money worth. That part was new. I have looked it over many times and there was no bow. That is something he would have noticed right out of the box. Sorry, but I am not at fault here.

my reply:

Originally Posted by LadyNRedSi

if they are worth $25 then tell me where...i'll buy 10 of them.

a) you did not spend no $1500. you are trying to claim the highest MSRP, which both you and i know you did not pay

b) if you spent $1500 then you would have reciepts and you did not spent $25. and if you have reciepts then you should easily be able to return this exhaust mani which has never been used

you are 100% at fault. this is the last time i will attempt to make things right before i post this up for the forum pubilically to decide on your poor character.

there are no exhaust mani's out there for under $250, let alone $200....i was being more than reasonable asking for only $150 with the old mani sent back.

i was trying to help 2 4th genners out but you have made me very sorry. it wasn't shipped within a reasonable time. i contact you and you conviently "forget" to reply to my pm as you reply up and down the forum for 5 days. now you make an insulting $25 offer

his final reply:

I bought the manifold and turbo off honda-tech from a "company" about a year ago. I was buying the T28 turbo from them so they cut me a deal on the manifold. I paid $100 for the manifold.

As far as reciepts, no you don't usually get reciepts off e-bay or individuals. I have pieced the kit together over the past 2 years so all my "reciepts" from paypal and what not have gotten deleted. Yes I did spend $1500 on that turbo kit.

Turbo- $450 off h-t
Mani- $100 (normally $200) off h-t
Deltagate wastegate- $190 off ebay
BOV- $160 off ebay
Intercooler- $360 (is a Tyrus intercooler when he first started making them and they were expensive) off ebay
450 cc injectors- bought from a friend for $120
Extra wastegate springs- $30 off ebay
SS down pipe- $80 off H-T
Downpipe flange- $25 off ebay

That is over $1500 right there. Like I said I think he has damaged the manifold and doesn't want to admit it.

a) product was new
b) I inspected and had friends look at it many times and it was not bowed
c) It was almost 4 months ago! He would have noticed this by now.
d) I'll give him the same return notice a store would. 30 days

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it would be pretty hard to give 30 day return if it took you more than 30 days to get it here. it would be pretty hard to give 30 day return when it took you more than 30 days to reply...thanks to doug for showing his true colors with that ugly sarcastic remark about 30 days

he sent us a turbo that will not mount to the flange on the mani due to the wrong turbo plate AND the exhaust mani can't be bolted to the head because it's warped....it looks like a damned skii slope....you can see it plain as day with the naked eye. it is more than fair to ask for $150 refund for the exhange of the warped exhaust mani

here is the original classifieds thread....which he edited the pics AND description out of....

http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbul...ighlight=turbo

with 4g friends like that...who needs enemies?

my friend is being ripped off!!!!

[1PhatCX]

ouch, that truly sucks ami!

[CivicSpoon]

to scammers.
Other message boards I go to ban people when they scam others. So let's get a mob, pitch forks, and torches all together and let the chanting begin...

[Onimacus]

Im not going to take sides on this because its none of my business.

But niether of you have proof either way. Niether of you can prove if it was messed up before, or after he sent it or anything like that.

But I hope you guys get it all figured out, I hate to see two regulars get into a fight

Good luck with everything.

[doug294]

I have yet to see proff of this damage. Also the shipping was a mishap on FedEx. That manifold was brand new. I inspected it right out of the box after I got it. When I was selling it plenty of my friends looked at it also because they were interested in it.

I like how you call me a scammer right off the bat when it seems to me your friend is the scammer. How should I know he didn't damage the manifold? You talk about 30 days..ok lets assume it took 30 days for it to get there (which it didn't). Thats still almost 3 months he has had it!

I bought my car 4 years ago, it just blew up. I want a refund because it was blown when I got it....yeah right. You are taking his side simply because he is your friend. I am not eating his mistake, sorry.

[SiZ]

How do you wreck a manifold without using it?!

[doug294]

Originally Posted by SiZ

How do you wreck a manifold without using it?!

Thats what I would like to know. I have never even bolted the manifold up. I know for a fact it was undamaged when it was shipped. Like I said. I have still yet to see any proff.

Not to mention why would he want a refund on the manifold? Does he not know even if it was "damaged" he could have another plate welded on a lot cheaper than the cost of buying another manifold?

[doug294]

Also I would like you to know that I have contacted the "company" I bought it from abou the manifold. It has a lifetime warranty so we will see if we can't get this situation resolved without anyone loosing out. I am waiting on their reply to the situation.

[TheSilentChamber]

I'm not trying to jump sides either, but It does seem like doug hasnt done anything wrong for the most part.

[kris]

I can say myself, I forget about PM's all the time. I don't think you should have put up scammer right away either, as that causes more problems.

[amy@af]

it was not fed ex's fault. you told me it was shipped. it never came, after i contact you i then get "oops, my friend forgot to send it." then we wait longer to now hear some stupid excuse about oil on the box so they wouldn't ship it and you had to repack it.

i would have asked for my money back since it took so long to ship and forget shipping it but i knew you had spent the money long before the turbo was sent

i like how doug isn't addressing the screwed up turbo flange....another way my friend is getting screwed.

whats the excuse for editing out the pics and description in the classifieds????

don't you worry i'm having him come over so i can take pics of this NEVER installed extremely warped mani.

i'll tell you how it gets warped never installed, SiZ....it's called it was sold to my friend warped.


you are a scammer neither turbo nor exhaust mani were as you described....which you quickly edited out of the thread after you had MONEY. you sit there and give me the poor me i'm a college kid but could care less somebody forked out money for crap parts...but what do you care, your car runs thanks to his $900

Also I would like you to know that I have contacted the "company" I bought it from abou the manifold. It has a lifetime warranty so we will see if we can't get this situation resolved without anyone loosing out. I am waiting on their reply to the situation.

i clearly stated in my pm that if you paid so much and had a reciept you would have no problems returning it. then i got another excuse about no reciepts from buying on ebay, paypal, and h-t since you 'had been collecting parts for 2 years"...now suddenly there is a lifetime warrenty. i'm sick of the excuses. i'm sick of you flipping the script. i like how you suddenly mention contacting that company AFTER I POST HERE

[amy@af]

i would also like to add i was NEVER asked if my name could be added to doug's sig as a vouch. i have NEVER done business with him before. he went ahead and added that himself one day.

i thought it was my name shows up one day but let it slide.

say buh-bye to leaching off my good name. i, unlike you, have have done many flawless transactions with members on this forum

[BLU CIVIC]

wow...i don't think fed-ex could warp a manifold...but i don't know what's going on and i wouldn't have waited so long to get my stuff...

[amy@af]

Originally Posted by doug294

I bought my car 4 years ago, it just blew up. I want a refund because it was blown when I got it....yeah right. You are taking his side simply because he is your friend. I am not eating his mistake, sorry.

this is not 4 years later, it's not even 4 months later. grow up...you did not sell the parts you decribed. i got back to you in a timly manor. it took you a month to ship. i pm you to let you know there were problems as soon as he got it on 2/27.

enough of YOUR LAME EXCUSES

[SiZ]

Originally Posted by LadyNRedSi

i'll tell you how it gets warped never installed, SiZ....it's called it was sold to my friend warped.
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Umm.. That was kinda the implication. I don't know how metal can warp while being in a box..