So I was thinking...

[nfg2184]

I'm having problems saving additional funds for my camaro. Even with 4k saved up, I haven't been able to go any higher in over a couple months, things just keep coming up. I don't really want an LT1, wanted to save for an LS1, but I'm thinking of cancelling it. The cheapest camaro i've been able to shop around for on ebay went for about 9k, and that was with 80,000 miles on it.

So now, i'm considering dropping about 3,500+ in the cavalier. I figure any cars I light to light race in the camaro will be expect me to beat them. But wompin on some civics and the like in a cavalier would be more gratifying, since it's not really expected. So far the only thing non-cosmetic that i've done to the cavy is wrapping it in Kuhmo 712's and installing a WAI. And that did pretty much nothing to the performance, but i didnt really expect much difference.

So I was hoping you guys would help me out with some ideas. One thing i'll definately be doing is Nitrous/SC, but I haven't decided which yet. I was weary at first because I heard that maybe the ecotec couldn't handle a charger. But now I see that GM is putting them in the new Cobalts, which use the eco, so i dont think it should be a problem. With 12,000 miles on my odometer now, I would think even with a SC my engine should be able to go 80k-90k miles no problem. Nitrous however, is cheaper, and less wear and tear on the engine, according to a large performance shop that specializes in bowties. So I haven't come to a decision.

But before that, I want to do some basics in preperation, and that's where I could use some help. Btw, if anyone didn't know, its a 2004 LS 2.2 Ecotec, Auto Tranny.

So here's what I was thinking so far.

This shift kit, pretty cheap, has anyone used it, or know someone that has it? And does it work?

http://www.turbotechracing.com/produ...idproduct=1136


Baer Slotted - Drilled - Plared - Decela Rotors Pair. (yea okay, kind of a cosmetic upgrade, but I heard they do help stopping power quite a bit.)

http://www.turbotechracing.com/produ...idproduct=1258


A Magnaflow muffler. (CA, worst emissions regulations in the country, and besides, bigger piping really isn't going to help, i'm not pushing all that much air, right?)


A programmer, couldn't find one. But one of those things that changes the rev limiter, can tell your tire size and change your speedo accordingly, gives a little bit of HP and Torque, and lets you run a little bit richer on the gas (because geeze, gas is so cheap right now).

2 step colder NGK's.

Also, i couldn't find a website selling the GM supercharger for the ecotec they used in the cobalt, can anyone link me to this so I can see how much they run, and what other engine components i would need.

And feel free to comment on anything, or anything else you think i should get. Or not get.

[TunerAdept]

the ecotec in the cobalt ss is a 2.0 with less compression than our 2.2L eco's. nitrous will void any warrantee you have on it and if you dont have copper head gaskets both supercharging it or nitrousing it will cause a substantial risk to the engine. get some cams, header, 2.5 exhaust, get the head polished and some other stuff for decent hp gains. then after all that if you wanna add a supercharger after that it will drastically improve your hp gains, but dont take a stock engine and throw forced induction on it. you will spend all your money fixing it...

[nfg2184]

Originally Posted by TunerAdept

the ecotec in the cobalt ss is a 2.0 with less compression than our 2.2L eco's. nitrous will void any warrantee you have on it and if you dont have copper head gaskets both supercharging it or nitrousing it will cause a substantial risk to the engine. get some cams, header, 2.5 exhaust, get the head polished and some other stuff for decent hp gains. then after all that if you wanna add a supercharger after that it will drastically improve your hp gains, but dont take a stock engine and throw forced induction on it. you will spend all your money fixing it...

The bowtie expert I talked to said that the nitrous runs nice and cool, so theres really very little risk at blowing the engine. He said the only thing I'd need are 2 step colder plugs. I would imagine I'd need several upgraded engine components for the supercharger though.

Like I said, I live in California, so header and a 2.5 exhaust would not only decrease my powerband in the low rpm's, but i wouldn't be able to pass smog. I'll probably wind up going with nitrous, cheaper and less wear on the engine.

[Classicrocjunkie]

build that bitch from the bottom up and go all N/a.. or go high compression and run a 75 shot of Nitrous.

[nfg2184]

Originally Posted by Classicrocjunkie

build that bitch from the bottom up and go all N/a..

can you elaborate a little on that? what parts? I didn't really wanna replace much of the engine since it's a new car already.

[Classicrocjunkie]

Disregard my comment if you don't feel like ripping your engine out.

[nfg2184]

So then should I just go with the mods i've already picked out and like a 55 shot?

[Classicrocjunkie]

I am not going to decide for you man. Do what you want to do, it should be all about you and not about what other think. Shit i'm pimpin a 4dr.. not every day you see a 4 dr rollin down the road.. lowered and riding on 17"s. My grocery getter does more than it may appear she does.... to me, thats what its all about. Respecting the 4 drs.

[OverAllComa]

Ditch the Eco, got buy a cavvy with an LD9 and buy the GM Supercharger. Then just call it a day.

[Classicrocjunkie]

If your going to rip somthing out, replace it with a 3800 GTP. Then your done!

[techno240]

Originally Posted by TunerAdept

the ecotec in the cobalt ss is a 2.0 with less compression than our 2.2L eco's. nitrous will void any warrantee you have on it and if you dont have copper head gaskets both supercharging it or nitrousing it will cause a substantial risk to the engine. get some cams, header, 2.5 exhaust, get the head polished and some other stuff for decent hp gains. then after all that if you wanna add a supercharger after that it will drastically improve your hp gains, but dont take a stock engine and throw forced induction on it. you will spend all your money fixing it...

number one wet or dry nitrous kit, how big? switch shot or brainbox. these are all questions that should have already been asked. also i dont know much about the 2.2 ecotecs but i do know the map sensor which basically reads the pressure in the intake cant handle positive pressure it fucks up its like going into a fast food joint and the cashier gives you more change than you began with what happens the register registers an error on closeout. same thing the computer says something isnt right. to supercharge or turbocharge you need to run a 2 bar map sensor which will register positive pressure to the computer like its a normal function. result smokin ass tires

[01Cavy]

Originally Posted by Classicrocjunkie

I am not going to decide for you man. Do what you want to do, it should be all about you and not about what other think. Shit i'm pimpin a 4dr.. not every day you see a 4 dr rollin down the road.. lowered and riding on 17"s. My grocery getter does more than it may appear she does.... to me, thats what its all about. Respecting the 4 drs.

Amen! Only mine isn't lowered yet and has slightly bigger rims. Not as much done to it as yours, but I'm working more on paying it off first. Hopefully by July it will be paid off.

[Classicrocjunkie]

Originally Posted by 01Cavy

Amen! Only mine isn't lowered yet and has slightly bigger rims. Not as much done to it as yours, but I'm working more on paying it off first. Hopefully by July it will be paid off.

you do what you can with what you got bro. I see you have alot of audio mods, i decided not to go with subs and i saved myself $$ there so i used it else wheres. Just all apart of saving up..

[RedCavalierRacer]

Originally Posted by Classicrocjunkie

you do what you can with what you got bro. I see you have alot of audio mods, i decided not to go with subs and i saved myself $$ there so i used it else wheres. Just all apart of saving up..

Yeah, Audio isn't worth it. I had 2 systems in my car, and they both got stolen. People around my area are to smart for security systems. They don't work as well as its advertised.

So now im just going to save for exterior.

[01Cavy]

Originally Posted by Classicrocjunkie

you do what you can with what you got bro. I see you have alot of audio mods, i decided not to go with subs and i saved myself $$ there so i used it else wheres. Just all apart of saving up..

Its not that I can't afford modding my car. Hell I have two jobs. Instead of applying my entire checks to mods like you, which I thought about doing, I decided to apply my enitire checks to paying the bitch off by July so I can mod my car on one job. I got about $5300 left to go till I'm free!

Oh and yes I'm into audio systems, but have everything but subs. I have yet to put my tweeters in (I have 3 pairs and don't need that many), and sold the subs and amp I did have to a friend of mine. I never even hooked them up. I'll get some new subs later on.