1993 GT vs early 90s' Eclispe GST

[1993_GT]

On the way home from work tonight I had a easy race with a Mitsubishi Eclispe GSX. The car appeared stock except for the fart pipe, wing and the huge tach inside his car. His back window had a picture of this little guy pissing on the word domestics. The car was clean and looked fairly tame by ricer standards. Here is how it went down...

Driving home on one of the back roads I use to avoid the traffic, I heard this loud fart pipe ricer come roaring up on me. As he passed me he hammered it hoping I would bite. I ignored him at first then the dude slows down to the same speed I was driving, which was about 35 MPH... He would goose it a little, I still ignored him. After about the third time of doing this I had enough. I drop it down to third and get on it. The race was pretty much over by the time I shifted to fourth as the Eclispse was atleast two to three car lengths behind me. So I shut it down as I pretty well made my statement loud and clear to him. That being "I was not going to be taken by a ricer this day. "

So we slow to a stop at the light and he pulls up next to me. He did not say a word just reved his RPMs and I said to myself, this guy has got to be kidding I just handed him his backside from a 35mph roll and he wanted to try me from a dead stop. Man Ricers just have no brains... or this guy just liked to be embarassed...

The light turned green I popped the clutch spun the tires pretty well and it was on... I beat him off the line and he hung with me through second until I shifted to third and left him with little trouble... By the time I shut it down at about 100 mph he was well behind me... He slows and pulls and I see in my rear view mirror he decides to make a U turn and head back the way we came. So it was not much of a race for me.... Beat him from a roll and beat him from a stand still... Ricer goes down...

[TatII]

are you sure its a GSX because a GSX would rip you off the line like a bad habbit. i just find it confusing cause the title says GST, but in the post you said GSX. well it must've been a GST becasue thats the only way he would've to you off the line unless the guy was a clown. anyways how are you sure its a turbo? i know most mildly first gen GSX's runs low 13's easy on the stock turbo. but anyways nice kill.

[turbo2nr]

1st gen dsm
exhaust+ intake+mbc+16psi=low 13ssec car...

nice run.. good kill, some time you have to show the imports whos boss.. sometimes..

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[Muscletang]

Good job there man.

I haven't heard from you in a while. I'm curious to know if you have done anything new to you car lately?

[1993_GT]

Originally Posted by Muscletang

Good job there man.

I haven't heard from you in a while. I'm curious to know if you have done anything new to you car lately?

Good to hear from you too... The only thing I have done to my car lately is install a new King Cobra clutch and a new clutch quadrant... Sure made a difference in the way the car launches... No more rotten eggs smell when I get on it and best of all no more slippage...

I have H/C/I waiting to be installed. Trying to decide whether I should install it on my current 100K motor or save up for a 331 short block...

As for whether it was a GST or GSX I am pretty sure it was a GSX though I could be wrong as I only saw the name badgeing for a split second before I dusted him

[PearlGT]

Its odd because a slightly modded gst would kill you from a roll and a slightly modded gsx would kill you from a dig (especially a 1g) but this one sounds like a common ricer. I'm glad you took him down like that because sometimes you have to put those cocky domestic hating ricers down. The same goes for putting those cocky japanese car hating domestic guys down though too.

Good kill

[1993_GT]

[quote=PearlGT]Its odd because a slightly modded gst would kill you from a roll and a slightly modded gsx would kill you from a dig (especially a 1g) but this one sounds like a common ricer. I'm glad you took him down like that because sometimes you have to put those cocky domestic hating ricers down. The same goes for putting those cocky japanese car hating domestic guys down though too.

Good kill[/QUOTE

Thanks for the Kudos' Maybe he was just a bad driver... All I can say for sure is my best track time is 14.025 @ 94.49 MPH and this was before installing a King Cobra Clutch. It was the turbo model though because I could hear it spinning up.

I need to track again and get some new times since adding the King Cobra Clutch, I might be wrong but the car feels faster....

Here is a link to my Time Sheet

http://files.automotiveforums.com/ga...cat=500&page=1

[PearlGT]

nice slip, I'd be lucky to get anywhere close to those numbers.
I was quick to avoid the other facts about the dsm but the truth is in stock form they have very average or comparably slow times on the track but I was just stickin up for em because I respect their potential to be fast with little cash. I'm neutral though because I love the sound of a rumbling v8 but I also love listening to that turbo spool on a modded turbo import.

[TatII]

i definitly do not deny that your car is quick 93_gt, but with a 14.00 or even a 13.8 you would still get smoked by atleast 5-6 cars from a decent first gen turbo DSM with the stock turbo. since those on average runs a low 13. i'm not putting you down, but i also remember the GS-T badge on the first gen is very small. it says GS in big letters, with the turbo on the bottom with very small letters. however i believe teh GSX is in big letters. so if you saw the GSX and you took it off the line, then that means the driver really didn't know how to drive. so if what i remember about the how the GSX and GST badges look on those cars, then yes you probrably beat a GSX ( but with a bad driver )

[-Josh-]

Not hard to believe it wasn't a bad driver, i have a friend who has a decently modded 96 GST, and he can't drive for shit, it's probably a high13 low 14 second car with a good driver, but with him in it, it's more like a mid to high 14 car, hard telling though cause i beat him pretty bad in the 79. Anyway, i'm sure there's lots of people out there who can't drive stick for shit, he probably happened to find one of them.

[1993_GT]

Originally Posted by TatII

i definitly do not deny that your car is quick 93_gt, but with a 14.00 or even a 13.8 you would still get smoked by atleast 5-6 cars from a decent first gen turbo DSM with the stock turbo. since those on average runs a low 13. i'm not putting you down, but i also remember the GS-T badge on the first gen is very small. it says GS in big letters, with the turbo on the bottom with very small letters. however i believe teh GSX is in big letters. so if you saw the GSX and you took it off the line, then that means the driver really didn't know how to drive. so if what i remember about the how the GSX and GST badges look on those cars, then yes you probrably beat a GSX ( but with a bad driver )

I was intriqued with your information regarding this car that I did some research on the web Here is what I found out... Your times are off by about a second...



With a curb weight of just 2,745 pounds and 190 hp, it was no surprise that Motor Trend's test GS Turbo was a speedy little thing. It ripped to 60 mph in just 7.4 seconds and completed the quarter-mile in 15.9 seconds at 90.3 mph. Not bad for a front-drive car in the early '90s.

The 1991 Eclipse was virtually indistinguishable from the '90 edition. However, antilock brakes and the automatic transmission were now options on the GS Turbo and GSX. Buyers could also get a limited-slip differential in the GSX, but had to forego the ABS brakes if they chose it.

For 1992 Mitsubishi swapped the Eclipse's pop-up headlights for a set of fixed lamps shaped like cat's eyes. There were also some changes to the spoiler and wheel designs, and both of the turbo engines were now rated at 195 hp, but otherwise the Eclipse was unchanged. Motor Trend drove a '92 GSX, concluding, "The GSX remains one of the all-time great buys in a performance sport coupe. The all-wheel-drive system is completely transparent, but can save you from some outrageous cases of brain fade." They measured the GSX steaming to 60 mph in 7 seconds and running the quarter-mile in 15.3 seconds at 89.2 mph.
ABS was made standard on the GSX for 1993 while the other Eclipses carried forward with minor visual tweaks such as a stand-alone rear spoiler on the GS. Time was catching up with the Eclipse, however, as a GSX finished fourth in a five-car comparison test run by Car and Driver (the then-new V6-powered Ford Probe GT won). "This year," the magazine wrote, "Mitsubishi has refined the brakes, adding larger discs and has improved the shifter action. The raft of changes makes working the potent turbocharged engine a sweeter prospect.

"Four years, though, is a lifetime in this highly competitive niche. The Eclipse's powertrain, for instance, gives up nothing to its larger displacement competitors in power or acceleration, but it can't match the newer four- and six-cylinder engines for smoothness or seamless power delivery…. Despite its intact performance figures, the Eclipse felt and looked like the elder statesman of this brat pack." For the record, Car and Driver had the GSX wailing to 60 mph in only 6.4 seconds and consuming the quarter-mile in 15 seconds at 88 mph.
With a new Eclipse on its way, the 1994 edition was basically the '93 with new vehicle identification numbers. Motor Trend's test of a '94 GSX had it running a 6.6-second 0-60 time and flashing through the quarter-mile in a scalding 14.8 seconds at 91.1 mph.
Could the next Eclipse match this first one's ability to enchant enthusiasts while attracting a wider audience?

[2000LS1Z28]

Yeah stock Eclipse's don't see anywhere near 13 sec. time slips. I think TatII was thinking about modded ones. Even modded though, people don't seem to realize that car's often don't equal the sum of their parts. There's alot of room for tuning with those 4g63 engines.

[PearlGT]

ok I'm pretty sure TAT was talking about the stock 1st gen turbo which is a 14b being able to hit low 13's. The car stock itself doesn't run anywhere near low 13's but since the 14b is bigger than the t25 used on 2g eclipses it leaves 1g eclipses for a lot more potential to gain power with things such as a downpipe, catback exhaust, boost controller and all of the other bolt ons. 2g eclipse owners will have to switch out their smaller t-25 turbo for something such as a 16g or any type of larger turbo to achieve that potential that those 1g eclipses carry with them stock.



This hits back to what I was saying before. The eclipse isn't such a monster stock but is a monster for much cheaper and less work than most... I should have mentioned those low 15 second stock timeslips along with it though.

[2000LS1Z28]

I dunno why almost every thread about an Eclipse GS-T or GSX has to turn into, "If it was modded it would've won; With $2K in mods it would see high 12's". So what? It's not like the other guy can't plug money into his car. Heck my thread saw the same responses, and i'll tell you what, slap $2K into an eclipse, and $2K in an LS1 or a 5.0. All cars can be modded (A cam will easily put one in the 12's on an LS1, let alone nitrous on either an LS1 or 5.0). The dude beat the car, we all lose races, it's nothing new. Sheesh this Eclipse threads are beginning to turn into Supra style talk (Da Poopra can nevar lose).