Tornado- Increased Gas Mileage???

[NYCivic]

aight, i'm lookin to get a tornado simply to increase my gas mileage. but i wanna know if i'll be wasting my money. anyone have or know of them being usefull for other than wasting money?

also, does higher octane gas give better mileage?

[BrodyP]

Originally Posted by NYCivic

aight, i'm lookin to get a tornado simply to increase my gas mileage. but i wanna know if i'll be wasting my money. anyone have or know of them being usefull for other than wasting money?

No.

Originally Posted by NYCivic

does higher octane gas give better mileage?

No Civics use 87 do not use higher octain it can cause damage to your engine.

[tadder salid]

Originally Posted by NYCivic

aight, i'm lookin to get a tornado simply to increase my gas mileage. but i wanna know if i'll be wasting my money. anyone have or know of them being usefull for other than wasting money?

also, does higher octane gas give better mileage?

studies have shown that this product does not work for what it is intended. it burns the gas more effectively. not more efficiently...

[NYCivic]

Originally Posted by tadder salid

studies have shown that this product does not work for what it is intended. it burns the gas more effectively. not more efficiently...

would you say its worth the 20-30 buxx off ebay?

[tadder salid]

Originally Posted by NYCivic

would you say its worth the 20-30 buxx off ebay?

uh.... yea sure... it doesn't really work tho. at least at the performance end of the spectrum. but thats just my opinion.

[doggystyledave]

About the Toronado, I think it will just make your intake work better.

[Killa_CRX]

Originally Posted by BrodyP

No Civics use 87 do not use higher octain it can cause damage to your engine.

No it wont... a higher octain rating only means the gas is more chemically stable... it resists combustion a little more... Higher octain rating is not going to give you better gas milage though, because a honda engine is designed to run as good on 87 as on 93.... the only damage you are causing by purchasing high octain gas is damage to your wallet.

Also... you see a lot of commercials on TV these days about cleaning addatives being added to the gas... these are not bad things either... but just so you know, these companies are only adding the cleaning addatives to the high octain gas.. the 87 and 89 is just regular gas.



Fun facts for people who like chemistry facts... the octain rating on gasoline doesn't actually mean it contains more or less octain. The octain rating system is only named for octain. What determines the higher or lower octain ratings is the way the hydrogen and carbon atoms are formed. Long straight chains of hydrogen and carbon = lower octain rating, rounded chains of hydrogen and carbon = higher octain rating. The higher octain gas also puts out less emissions, because it takes less carbon on the round molecules to form the gasoline than the straight chains do.
Now who realised gasoline was just a combination of hydrogen and forms of carbon? :P

[alfonso2501]

Originally Posted by NYCivic

aight, i'm lookin to get a tornado

Stay away from the tornado, it’s a rip-off. Someone should complain about them to the feds, or something! Get them out of business for ripping off kids.

[BrodyP]

Originally Posted by Killa_CRX

No it wont... a higher octain rating only means the gas is more chemically stable... it resists combustion a little more... Higher octain rating is not going to give you better gas milage though, because a honda engine is designed to run as good on 87 as on 93.... the only damage you are causing by purchasing high octain gas is damage to your wallet.

Also... you see a lot of commercials on TV these days about cleaning addatives being added to the gas... these are not bad things either... but just so you know, these companies are only adding the cleaning addatives to the high octain gas.. the 87 and 89 is just regular gas.



Fun facts for people who like chemistry facts... the octain rating on gasoline doesn't actually mean it contains more or less octain. The octain rating system is only named for octain. What determines the higher or lower octain ratings is the way the hydrogen and carbon atoms are formed. Long straight chains of hydrogen and carbon = lower octain rating, rounded chains of hydrogen and carbon = higher octain rating. The higher octain gas also puts out less emissions, because it takes less carbon on the round molecules to form the gasoline than the straight chains do.
Now who realised gasoline was just a combination of hydrogen and forms of carbon? :P

Haaaa cool nice response but I was told by the dealer as well as many others..Using a higher octain in our cars is not only useless but will also burn faster which is not needed in a 4 banger..This will cause your engine to knock..Our cars are ment to run at a lower rating so I'm told..This is why I use a higher octain in the Turbo GSX more air - more fuel buring???? Just trying to learn somthing here =)..

[snowman2005]

only reason to run higher octane is if u bump ur compresion so the fuel wont pre ignite(detonation) due to the higher compression of air which means greater heat.

[eckoman_pdx]

Originally Posted by BrodyP

Haaaa cool nice response but I was told by the dealer as well as many others..Using a higher octain in our cars is not only useless but will also burn faster which is not needed in a 4 banger..This will cause your engine to knock..Our cars are ment to run at a lower rating so I'm told..This is why I use a higher octain in the Turbo GSX more air - more fuel buring???? Just trying to learn somthing here =)..

Higher Octane gas DOES NOT "burn faster." Higher Octane Gas does not give you engine knock. Octane is simply a gasonlines ability to resist detination....AKA Knock. The higher the octane rating, the better the gas' ability to resist detonation. The Lower the rating, the LESS of an ability to resist detonation the gas has.

This is why if you run a Turbo'd car or a Porsche that needs 92 Octane on 87 Octane gas, you will have engine knock and screw the motor. Because the motor NEEDS a gasoline that has a better ability tp resist the detonation/knock.

A higher Octane gas has a greater ability to resist detonation. This is why the Turbo GSX needs it. With a lower Octane gas, it is quite easy for the presuures and other factors to cause engine knock detonation. A hihger Octane gas is more resistant to detonation. This means it's more likly to ignite where it is MENT to burn and ignite...not too early or too late.

Your civic being ment for 87 Octane simply means the motor is desgined to not need a higher octane gas to resist detonation. It can run on AS LOW AS an 87 Octane gas. It doesn't NEED a higher grade to run effectily and in tune without knock and detonation. However, you CAN run higher octane and your motor won't complain. it won't add power at all...that's not what Octane does. It will simply be more resist to detonation and knock...and typically as said it will burn better. However, you don't NEED this. Read the fine print, it requires an Octane rating or 87 OR HIGHER. This means you can put in 87, 89, or 92 Octane and be fine. A Porsche Requires 92 Octane. This means you have to run 92 as a minimum. Where-as you can run 87, 89, or 92 on the civic...running 89 or 87 on the Porsche will likely lead to knock and detonation...and that will kill a motor.

As was said, running a Higher Octane gas than the MINIMUM Octane requirement won't hurt anything execpt your wallet. If your minimum octane rating is 87, running a 92 Octane Supreme won't hurt anything but your wallet. The reason that GSX needs a 92 is becuase it REQUIRES a gasoline that is more resistant to detonation and knock. With a lower octane rating, the gas may ignite in the wrong spot and boom...detonation, knock...the 2 things that will kill a motor quickly.

Higher compression in the cylinders creates more heat, and will make it easier for the gas to ignite at the wrong time. These motors need a higher octane rating to styme detonation and knock. This is why higher Compression cars need a higher octane rating....and why turbo'd cars need it. When the turbo shoves all that air into the cylinders the compression is high...and just like a high compresion ratio N/A car it NEEDS a higher octane rating to ensure the gasoline resists the detonation and knock...to ensure it ingites where it is supposed to ignite. Hihger pressures in the cylinder make it easier and more likely the gas will ignite at the wrong spot and case detonation and knock. Your sohc motor has a low compression ratio and does not require a gasoline that is more resistant to detonation. Thats all octane is, the rating of a gasolines ability to reisit detonation and knock. The higher the rating, the more resistant to detonation and knock the gasoline is.

[BrodyP]

Thats why your the mod ECO always with the good in depth responses. Thanks bro!!

[gdriver]

back to the tornado right quick....the purpose of the device is to induce a swirling motion, allowing air to move more efficiently through the intake. although i have not experimented with them, i find it hard to believe that they do nothing, because it sounds similar to the "swirl-inducing vanes cast in the intake runners" that are found in the mazda 6 v6 engine. i dont know why mazda would implement them if they dont work.

[BrodyP]

Honestly guys this topic has been beat to death through out this forum. If you run a search for this tornado and similar products all you will find is people saying its a POS, and how many have tried it and it did squat. Just think for a quick miniute if it was such a "great" enhancing piece of machinery for our cars we all would be using it. But not once did I hear someone on this forum say to swap a B18 with I/H/E/T the T being for tornado. Bottom line horepower and performance do not come cheap and neither does doing it correclty.

[eckoman_pdx]

Originally Posted by BrodyP

Thats why your the mod ECO always with the good in depth responses. Thanks bro!!

No problem man!! I'm always glad to help out and help explain things. No one wants a bunch of incorrect information floating around.