The Minutemen return...

[carrrnuttt]

...this time, to protect our borders here, in the South.

http://abc15.com/news/index.asp?did=17498

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Volunteers begin arriving in effort to use volunteer civilians to patrol Arizona-Mexico border

TOMBSTONE, Ariz. (AP) -- At least 100 volunteers registered by Friday afternoon for a monthlong effort to patrol the Mexican border for illegal immigrants and smugglers, an organizer of the project said.

The idea, according to organizers of the Minuteman Project, is for the volunteers to fan out across 23 miles of the San Pedro Valley to watch the border and report any illegal activity to federal agents -- an exercise that some law enforcement authorities and others fear could lead to vigilante violence.

Many of the volunteers were recruited over the Internet and some plan to be armed. Rallies and orientation for the volunteers are planned over the weekend; the patrols are to begin Monday.

Organizers originally said the Minuteman Project would draw upward of 800 participants, drawing skepticism from human rights activists and authorities who have seen similar efforts flop in the past.

Jim Gilchrist, a retired accountant from California who organized the project, said at least 100 volunteers had registered and dozens more were in town. There was no immediate way to independently verify the count.

Volunteers had been expected to keep arriving throughout the day, and it was difficult to distinguish them from counter-protesters and the merely curious.

During orientation, volunteers heard speakers supporting the project, including Bay Buchanan, chairwoman of the conservative American Cause organization and sister of former presidential candidate Pat Buchanan.

"You have accomplished an enormous amount already," she said, noting the effort had drawn the attention of Mexican President Vicente Fox, who has vowed to take legal action against migrant-hunting vigilantes in Arizona.

Colorado Republican Rep. Tom Tancredo, a supporter of tougher border enforcement, praised the group, telling them: "You are not vigilantes, you are heroes in my book."

The Arizona-Mexico border is considered the most vulnerable stretch of the 2,000-mile southern border. Of the 1.1 million illegal immigrants caught by the Border Patrol last year, 51 percent crossed into the country at the Arizona border.

Some people in this town nearly 30 miles north of the border, best known as the site of the 1881 shootout at the OK Corral, eagerly awaited the volunteers' arrival as a way to boost the local economy.

Human rights activists expressed concern that the volunteers may abuse immigrants or get into violent confrontations with smugglers.

Robert Ordway said he was volunteering in response to the federal government's admonition to be vigilant following the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.

"The newspapers and the TV cameras are hoping something will go wrong and somebody will get hurt or somebody will do something stupid and that will draw attention," said Ordway, from nearby Sierra Vista. "That ain't going to happen. We're not here to do that. We are here to support the Border Patrol, support the laws of the country and that's what we're after."

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The project's website:
http://www.minutemanproject.com/

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I am in agreement with the volunteers. All the shit has to stop. Here's a local scribe's sentiments that I totally agree with: http://www.azcentral.com/news/column...roberts02.html

Here's an opposing view: http://www.suntimes.com/output/greel...-greel181.html

That last one calls the volunteers "anti-immigrant bigots". I call him "moron". Of course, if Fox is actually going to mobilize his military, in order to back people attempting to break laws, then what does say about him? What does that say about Bush, who is one of his strongest supporters? But then again, I can't blame him, as the immigrants in the US regularly send BILLIONS of US-dollar's worth of support back to Mexico.

That last commentary also says:
"President Bush has suggested the only sensible way to control the flow of border crossings: a guest worker program with amnesty provisions and eventual opportunity for citizenship."

WTF?

My main hope, is that this finally wakes up the chimp up top, and he can get off his ass, and do something for the people, as opposed to serving his party's, and his friend's interests.

[carrrnuttt]

Nevermind my hopes. Found this shortly after I posted the above:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/natio...2200-6209r.htm

He opposes these "vigilantes" who are only trying to protect their country's borders, yet he plans on policing all of Iraq for the next decade?

I will hold on to my previous assessment of his Administration as moronic.

[Muscletang]

I heard about this on O'Reiley and I think it's a good idea. People are getting sick of the illegal flow into this country and it has been obvious for a while the government isn't going to do anything about it. It's good to see people taking charge and doing something about it. I tip my hat to these people.

[carrrnuttt]

Originally Posted by Muscletang

People are getting sick of the illegal flow into this country...

That's basically my sentiment.

Living in Arizona, it's almost a monthly thing, hearing about the Coyotes (human smugglers), and some house of theirs that got raided, that had at least 50-odd people living in misery, basically as slaves, until they pay off the people that got them in here.

It's a lucrative business. I heard a report that a decent Coyote team makes an average of 100K every month, to every 3 months, and most of it is earned by the migrants WHILE IN THE USA. That's 100K of non-taxable income, that would have otherwise remained in the US. I take consolation in the fact that the smugglers buy their cars and houses in the US.

With that much influx of people, how many do you think might have been possible terrorists? It's not like terrorists can't afford the "smuggling bill".

[sivic02]

Yee doggies! Lets Gid us sam mexi-cans!

How dare we allow people to come in this country and work for next to nothing. All it does is enable some people to keep their business and in turn give more jobs to legal citizens. Our country wouldnt be where it is today if it wasnt for illegal immigrants and the work they do so screw them! Lets let a bunch of rednecks patrol the boarders, sure thats going to end peacefully.

[lickem]

Originally Posted by sivic02

Yee doggies! Lets Gid us sam mexi-cans!

Lets let a bunch of rednecks patrol the boarders, sure thats going to end peacefully.

nice sterotyping and bigotry will always get you somewhere here

[Tehvisseeus]

Man I wish we had a program like this in So Cal.

[Muscletang]

Originally Posted by sivic02

Yee doggies! Lets Gid us sam mexi-cans!

If I remember right this isn't a huge hunt or anything but a patrole.

Originally Posted by sivic02

How dare we allow people to come in this country and work for next to nothing. All it does is enable some people to keep their business and in turn give more jobs to legal citizens.

How can there be more jobs for legal citizens if the illegals are taking up all of them? The only things I can think of where Mexicans work are like in the chicken farm industry and stuff like that where long hours of hard labor are required. They don't get the shaft though and are at least paid minimum wage.

Originally Posted by sivic02

Our country wouldnt be where it is today if it wasnt for illegal immigrants and the work they do so screw them!

Yeah, our country wouldn't be anywhere where it is today. We all wouldn't be bending over backwards to translate everything into Spanish because the illegals won't learn basic English. We wouldn't be waisting tax money to let them learn to drive and have other privlages that only citizens should enjoy.

Originally Posted by sivic02

Lets let a bunch of rednecks patrol the boarders, sure thats going to end peacefully.

That's a nice attitude you have about this thing. Do you also think neighborhood watch programs in cities should be abolished so it won't take away the jobs of a few police officers?

[carrrnuttt]

Originally Posted by sivic02

Yee doggies! Lets Gid us sam mexi-cans!

How dare we allow people to come in this country and work for next to nothing. All it does is enable some people to keep their business and in turn give more jobs to legal citizens. Our country wouldnt be where it is today if it wasnt for illegal immigrants and the work they do so screw them! Lets let a bunch of rednecks patrol the boarders, sure thats going to end peacefully.

Did you read the part I wrote, where it says the smugglers are earning 100K almost every month off the people they have smuggled in? That money's coming from HERE, genius. All the loose borders are allowing is for human feces like the Coyotes, to exploit other humans, for their own gain. Not to mention allowing free rein for potential terrorists to come in, unscathed.

[MagicRat]

Originally Posted by carrrnuttt

Did you read the part I wrote, where it says the smugglers are earning 100K almost every month off the people they have smuggled in? That money's coming from HERE, genius. All the loose borders are allowing is for human feces like the Coyotes, to exploit other humans, for their own gain. Not to mention allowing free rein for potential terrorists to come in, unscathed.

Good point.

Furthermore with all that money going around, IMHO a volunteer 'minuteman' is MUCH easier to bribe than the real, salaried, government-employed border patrol.

[Sticky]

I think the states should take some responisbilty atleast. I mean, they have national guards units they could easily station along the border to watch for them. (even though they may not have nearly as much right now).

[Flatrater]

I like the idea. At least someone is doing something to stop the influx of illegals.

[sivic02]

Originally Posted by muscletang

If I remember right this isn't a huge hunt or anything but a patrole.

Many of the volunteers were recruited over the Internet and some plan to be armed.

And you think this isnt going to end up being a hunt?

Originally Posted by Muscletang

How can there be more jobs for legal citizens if the illegals are taking up all of them? The only things I can think of where Mexicans work are like in the chicken farm industry and stuff like that where long hours of hard labor are required. They don't get the shaft though and are at least paid minimum wage.

There are ALWAYS plenty of jobs out there the citizens that dont have jobs arent going to get a job. And illegal immigrants DO NOT get paid minimum wage, if they do where your from then the people giving them jobs need to sit back and think about it for a minute. I have worked with plenty of illegal mexicans here and they get paid nowhere near minimum wage.

Originally Posted by Muscletang

We wouldn't be waisting tax money to let them learn to drive and have other privlages that only citizens should enjoy.

One key word in this whole thing is ILLEGAL these are things that we do for legal immigrants, not the illegal ones.

Originally Posted by Muscletang

That's a nice attitude you have about this thing. Do you also think neighborhood watch programs in cities should be abolished so it won't take away the jobs of a few police officers?

In my opinion the ammount of good that happens (for the illegals and their families) outweighs the bad that happens here. Im all about the greater good of mankind, not one country.

Originally Posted by carrrnuttt

Did you read the part I wrote, where it says the smugglers are earning 100K almost every month off the people they have smuggled in? That money's coming from HERE, genius. All the loose borders are allowing is for human feces like the Coyotes, to exploit other humans, for their own gain.

Hey if people are willing to pay the money then thats their thing. Is the money coming out of your pocket? Then why do you care what people do with their own money?

Originally Posted by carrrnuttt

Not to mention allowing free rein for potential terrorists to come in, unscathed.

Which based on the ammount of terrorist attacks we have here each and every day that is such a concern! Do you really think that if we tighten up our boarders that "terrorists" will say "Wait a second, we cant get in through mexico....lets just give up and go home"

[Toksin]

Originally Posted by carrrnuttt

Did you read the part I wrote, where it says the smugglers are earning 100K almost every month off the people they have smuggled in? That money's coming from HERE, genius. All the loose borders are allowing is for human feces like the Coyotes, to exploit other humans, for their own gain. Not to mention allowing free rein for potential terrorists to come in, unscathed.

Funny you said that. Just reading a Clancy novel (Teeth of the Tiger) where a group of terrorists infiltrate the US with the help of coyotes.

[taranaki]

The southern states used to have their own ways of dealing with the crimes of a single race too....Perhaps you could ask the KKK to man these border patrols.

Or maybe you guys should just build a huge wall? It worked for the Russians for a while in East Germany.

The 'terrorism' argument is a bit lame.The Canadian border is far longer, and because there isn't an immigrant issue there, it's nowhere near as heavily patrolled.Rest assured that if the terrorists want it bad enough, they'll come again.A few zealots spending a month waving their guns and looking ferociously at the mexican border is little more than racist tokenism.The demand for cheap labor by unscrupulous employers will always ensure that there ids an incentive for them to come.

The border with mexico is a shade under 2000 miles. 1000 volunteers working 8 hour days would have to cover 6 miles each on average to achieve 24 hour coverage.That just leaves 95,000 miles of coastline and
5000 miles of border with Canada.Add to that the dozens of international airports receiving millions of passengers a day and hundreds of seaports handling thousands of ships, and you don't have a border, you have a sieve.

Good luck to the 11,000 border patrol officers assigned to protect all of this.With the pressure from racist agitators ensuring that a disproportionate amount of resources are deployed in a few perceived trouble spots, the rest of your country has nowhere near enough professional border forces.