Should the US pull out of UN?

pnoiSR20 · #1 03-25-2005, 07:03 PM

Since the US backs up almost everyone in the world, i think the US should pull out of UN. Why u ask?

Well first off, the US tries to help everyone in the world and somehow.......they dont appreciate our help?

I mean come on.....the US....the richest country in the world is trying to help the ragtag countries and wat do they do....they start shooting people. WTF

Take Iraq. We came in. We got stupid Saddam and his cronies. We liberate the people. And wat do some of them do??? They fuck with us.

And if u do the research, we liberated Afghanistan in the 80's and the fucked with us too.

Thats just my opinion.

Raz_Kaz · #2 03-25-2005, 07:32 PM

You are an idiot plain and simple. Get your "facts" straight.

1. The US isn't the richest country in the world. Ranked number one would be Luxembourg (based on DGP per capita). The Us is ranked 3rd.
2. Those "ragtag" countries have more issues now then they did before the US "saviours" came and "helped" them.
3. The US is fucking with the world...keep fucking with them and expect the same back.

pnoiSR20 · #3 03-25-2005, 07:37 PM

The only reason i think that way is because the US is what i believe the back bone of the UN.

Hey man...sorry if i offend u.

Raz_Kaz · #4 03-25-2005, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by pnoiSR20

The only reason i think that way is because the US is what i believe the back bone of the UN.

Hey man...sorry if i offend u.

Your beliefs aren't necessarily the truth. If you would be less of a racist and not refer to the middle-eastern culture as a bunch of ragheads then maybe you'd get more respect around here. I'm assuming that yuo only hear one half of thestory about the war in Afghanistan and the war in Iraq. If you do some more research then maybe you wouldn't be so over confident that the US is so sacred.

taranaki · #5 03-25-2005, 10:30 PM

The US vetos or ignores UN decisions that it disagrees with, while using its influence wherever possible to get what it wants from other members.It's history of paying its dues to the organisation has been sketchy to say the least,and quite frankly the current US misadministration was the kind of pariah that that the UN was supposed to protect the world from.

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Well first off, the US tries to help everyone in the world and somehow.......they dont appreciate our help?
I mean come on.....the US....the richest country in the world is trying to help the ragtag countries and wat do they do....they start shooting people. WTF

Take Iraq. We came in. We got stupid Saddam and his cronies. We liberate the people. And wat do some of them do??? They fuck with us.

And if u do the research, we liberated Afghanistan in the 80's and the fucked with us too.

If you genuinely believe that, then you'd be justified in pulling out of the UN.You'd be gloriously unaware of the truth, but your reasoning would be sound.Regardless of that, the end result would still be acceptable.The UN was established to act in the best interests of the world. Clearly, the present US administration isn't interested in taking part. If the US wishes to pick and choose which UN policies it supports, it may as well not bother with membership. Curiously, the world does NOT revolve around Washington,and it would not be the end of the world if Bush and his clowns were kicked out of the civilised world.

YogsVR4 · #6 03-26-2005, 10:59 AM

The original topic is sound. The US should leave the UN and the UN is should feel free to head out of the US, but as long as they pay the rent, NY City can be whatever kind of landlord they want to be.

Don't pay much attention to Raz, he sees racist claims in everything. You say RAGTAG he sees RAGHEAD. Just a sad little boy looking for something that isn't there.

The UN is falling apart at the seams and its been long overdue.

RSX-S777 · #7 03-26-2005, 11:45 AM

I think Raz has far better grasp of the situation than the original poster, seeing as his father was part of the army of the afore mentioned "ragtag" country.

KustmAce · #8 03-26-2005, 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pnoiSR20

Since the US backs up almost everyone in the world, i think the US should pull out of UN. Why u ask?

Well first off, the US tries to help everyone in the world and somehow.......they dont appreciate our help?

I mean come on.....the US....the richest country in the world is trying to help the ragtag countries and wat do they do....they start shooting people. WTF

Take Iraq. We came in. We got stupid Saddam and his cronies. We liberate the people. And wat do some of them do??? They fuck with us.

And if u do the research, we liberated Afghanistan in the 80's and the fucked with us too.

Thats just my opinion.

Ignorance at its finest.

But I agree with Naki, the US doesnt listen to the UN, and chooses to do what it wants, with or without UN support, so we really have no right to be a member anyway.

YogsVR4 · #9 03-26-2005, 02:50 PM

Now you're talking. We don't deserve to be a member. Stop all payments and withdraw all diplomatic credentials from anyone who comes to the UN from a foreign country. They can feel free to leave or negotiate their rent with the city of New York.

Not a tear will be shed when it enters the dustbin.

sivic02 · #10 03-26-2005, 02:53 PM

And maybe after we leave the UN we can convicne other countries to do the same thing, then we can form alliances with them saying that if they go to war we will go to war too!

The reason why people in Iraq will attack the US troops is because not everyone wants to be "liberated" Everyone will never be in complete agreement when it comes to national policies...at least not until the entire world becomes communist, Marx said it, it must be true! Lets start a revolution!!!

Im kidding by the way.

fredjacksonsan · #11 03-26-2005, 08:52 PM

The US doesn't adhere to UN guidelines when they're issued, which shows an arrogant, self righteous face to the rest of the world. If you're not going to accept the decisions of a "club" you're in, leave the club.

So on that basis, the US should leave the UN.

On the other hand, that would be a bad thing in the long run. I think that most of us agree that the UN is broken, (for various reasons stated in other posts) and that a new organization is needed. In that respect, the US should NOT leave the UN, but rather work to remove it and build a new and better organization.

taranaki · #12 03-26-2005, 09:06 PM

There are serious moves afoot to revise both the role of the UN, and the way it does its business.Those who are calling for its abolition have nothing to gain from doing so, and quite a bit to lose.I'm sure that the city of New York would not want lose all of the business generated within its boundaries by the presence of thousands of people in a single location.

Frankly, the arguments about whether or not the US should be part of the world communtiy are only relevant because there is a faint possibility that the current administration might possibly be senseless enough to try and do it.However, I'm confident that if they were, the Democrat government that would llandslide in on the back of that and other stupid decisions would quite rightly reverse it.

fredjacksonsan · #13 03-26-2005, 09:14 PM

That's what I was trying to say; simply leaving the UN in this day and age would be foolish; isolationism just isn't possible any more.

As with most bureacracy, it's usually easier to get rid of it and start anew, than to modify it. I'm sure that the "big 5" members of the UN would resist, veto, and otherwise quash any attempt to make all the members equal. The UN should be a reflection of humankind, all members equal, not 5 members having quite a bit more say-so than others.

Twitch1 · #14 03-27-2005, 04:57 PM

The UN certainly didn't do a thing about Rwanda and now more nothing about the Sudan. So what's the point of all the high and mighty idealisms in their charter?

RSX-S777 · #15 03-27-2005, 05:34 PM

Truth be told, most Americans didn't give a fuck and a half about Rwanda and Sudan and any U.N. action/inaction in those countries before the organization condemned and criticized U.S. actions in Iraq. Now the atrocities in those countries are suddenly being used as a lame excuse as to why we should pull out by the most NOBLE citizens. Time to stop acting like babies- don't try to change the rules, criticize the referee or leave the game because it doesn't always go your way...

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