Feeding Tube Reinsertion Denied Again

[dirtydx]

she's on her fifth day without the feeding tube
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor..._damaged_woman


"Demonstrators who gathered outside Terri Schiavo's hospice here decried the courts' decisions. One woman was arrested Tuesday for trespassing after trying to bring Schiavo a cup of water."



this is horrible, she is still conscious and obviously suffering a great deal. I don't care if she has brain damage or not, leaving someone for starvation is barbaric. I can't believe people are getting arrested for trying to help her...... makes me sick.

[clawhammer]

Originally Posted by dirtydx

this is horrible, she is still conscious and obviously suffering a great deal. I don't care if she has brain damage or not, leaving someone for starvation is barbaric. I can't believe people are getting arrested for trying to help her...... makes me sick.

Doctors say that she can't feel anything, she is not aware of the fact that she is starving. She is not in any pain.

[dirtydx]

"While she still made eye contact with me when I spoke to her, she was becoming increasingly lethargic," Bob Schindler said in the papers. "Terri no longer attempted to verbalize back to me when I spoke to her."

if she could talk, then she can understand the basic concept of pain.

what wrong is it to keep her alive? she is still a human and has family that cares about her. I can understand her right to die, but its that her family doesn't even want this to happen. And that people are locked out from trying to save her.

[YogsVR4]

This is a fun situation. Husband says she didn't want extraordinary efforts made in keeping her alive. Parents are unwilling to let her go. It’s a sad situation with no winner. The state and federal courts, the state and federal congresses and the even the president have all gotten involved to one degree or another. Its been fifteen years of a feeding tube. I am glad that I filled out my living will so I can prevent that from ever happening to me.

[TexasF355F1]

Originally Posted by clawhammer

Doctors say that she can't feel anything, she is not aware of the fact that she is starving. She is not in any pain.

Since when do doctors know anything? My grandfather was told he wouldn't make it six months with out taking all these different medications, he lasted 3 years.

This case is pissing me off for a few reasons. One being it shouldn't even be national news, and it's the same discusssions 24 hrs a day. It's old now.

Secondly, how the fuck do the parents, the ones who conceived her and watched her grow get thrown on the back burner, while the fucking husband makes the discision.

The husband is a worthless hack. All he's after is the life insurance money. He hasn't permitted ANY physical therapy, or allowed her to be taught to eat.

I have a damn good understanding of what this whole case is about. Those who say she doesn't feel anything is bullshit. My mimi had a massive stroke over 10 years ago. She is paralized on right side and hasn't been able to speak....EVER. She can mumble sounds that's it. Exactly what this girl can do. Doctor's could say my mimi can't feel anything, but I know she can. I guarantee she is quite aware of what's going on, she's just incapable of pulling out of her incompasitated state.

I still don't understand why the parents have absolutely no say. It really pisses me off. The husband can rot in hell for all of what he's done, or hasn't let be done.

[clawhammer]

[quote=TexasF355F1]Since when do doctors know anything? My grandfather was told he wouldn't make it six months with out taking all these different medications, he lasted 3 years.[/QOUTE]

I'm sure that they did not say he will die exactly in 6 months. What they probably said that there is a very high chance of him dying in 6 months. Nobody can predict the future, but in this case all the doctors were saying is what is happening at the present.

[QOUTE=TexasF355F1]
This case is pissing me off for a few reasons. One being it shouldn't even be national news, and it's the same discusssions 24 hrs a day. It's old now.[/QOUTE]

Agreed. It's a family tragedy, not something that our politicians should be getting up for in the middle of the night, there are plenty more important issues affecting EVERYONE, not just Terry.


[QOUTE=TexasF355F1]
Secondly, how the fuck do the parents, the ones who conceived her and watched her grow get thrown on the back burner, while the fucking husband makes the discision.[/QOUTE]

It's called growing up. Once you turn 18, your parents are no longer responsible for you. When you get married, in case of a medical emergency like this, the spouse is the one who makes the decision if you're incapable of making one. On the other hand, you can't choose your parents, but you can choose your spouse.

[QOUTE=TexasF355F1]
The husband is a worthless hack. All he's after is the life insurance money. He hasn't permitted ANY physical therapy, or allowed her to be taught to eat. [/QOUTE]

That's your opinion of the husband. Last week he was offered $1 million dollars to sign his rights over Terry over to a businessman who would keep her alive. I don't beleive that this case is about money. It's probably about closure.

[fredjacksonsan]

First of all, it's a difficult situation with no easy answer.

But there's a few things the media isn't telling or showing us. They haven't shown Ms. Schiavo for more than 1/2 a second; those views are of her smiling or moving somewhat. I'd like to see a 5 or 10 minute video of her, reacting to people, to see what she really is like.

There has been no mention of her brainwave activity. No scientific education for the public, such as: "This is normal brain activity. This is brain dead. Now compare those two with this, this is Ms. Schiavo's brainwave activity." So there are many completely uninformed decisions and opinions going on.

I'm not saying that it's not tragic or heartrending. It is. But more information is needed prior to making a decision. (and yes I realize the clock is ticking)

Originally Posted by dirtydx

"While she still made eye contact with me when I spoke to her, she was becoming increasingly lethargic," Bob Schindler said in the papers. "Terri no longer attempted to verbalize back to me when I spoke to her."

if she could talk, then she can understand the basic concept of pain.

what wrong is it to keep her alive? she is still a human and has family that cares about her. I can understand her right to die, but its that her family doesn't even want this to happen. And that people are locked out from trying to save her.

Bob Schindler is a lawyer, and will say whatever is necessary to promote his case so we can discount what he's said.

Can Ms. Schiavo communicate? Can she blink in response to a question? People say "what if" she is actually ok in there, and just can't "get out" to communicate? I don't know about anyone else here, but to be trapped in my own head, unable to move or communicate, would suck. Yes, she's alive, but she is NOT "living".

Originally Posted by TexasF355F1

The husband is a worthless hack. All he's after is the life insurance money. He hasn't permitted ANY physical therapy, or allowed her to be taught to eat.

Do you have some backup for the not allowing her to be taught to eat? Be interested to read it if you do.

Other things that has gone without mention are the incredible amount of money that Mister S has already paid in hospice care. It costs many thousands of dollars per year for that level of care. There are a few stories that the current hospice has been paying for Ms S' care in the last couple years, but Mr. S has likely paid out a million dollars or more in the previous 13.

Then there are Ms. S' desires in the matter. If her husband is telling the truth, then she has already been kept alive far longer than she desired to be.

In that position, as the husband, I can't imagine how hard it would be to see your wife in that circumstance, day after day. The media is focusing on Ms. S' plight, but totally ignoring Mr S and how he has suffered the last 15 years.

He does have an interest in the insurance money, that is true. But to cite that as his only motivation, IMO, isn't telling the entire story.

[KustmAce]

I am with the husband on this one. Not much of a life when you have no ability to do anything. Besides, the spouse is responsible for her. Parents need to respect that, and respect his wishes, no matter how messed up in the head he may be.

[Killswitch]

Let's see: the woman has severe brain damage so that she cannot function at all except for blinking her eyes. The husband says she would not want to live that way, so why is she still living? Let her keep one shred of dignity and let her go. Just give her a huge shot of morphine and end it. Like they said, she can't feel anything. The parents and family are hoping for a "miracle", which doesn't seem likely, so just let her die. She will never get better, so why keep her alive?

[Muscletang]

The funny thing to all of this is when this woman dies the husband gets something of 1-2 million dollars. He just doesn't want her to suffer anymore though....yeah right.

[clawhammer]

Originally Posted by Muscletang

The funny thing to all of this is when this woman dies the husband gets something of 1-2 million dollars. He just doesn't want her to suffer anymore though....yeah right.

As already stated above, do you know how much he has spent on hospice care during the 15 years? Money is not the only thing. Plus, he has been offered 1 million dollars to keep her alive.

[Gotti]

Originally Posted by Killswitch

Let's see: the woman has severe brain damage so that she cannot function at all except for blinking her eyes. The husband says she would not want to live that way, so why is she still living? Let her keep one shred of dignity and let her go. Just give her a huge shot of morphine and end it. Like they said, she can't feel anything. The parents and family are hoping for a "miracle", which doesn't seem likely, so just let her die. She will never get better, so why keep her alive?

That just sounded so bad to me for some reason... like you dont care about life. I know you do, its just the vibe it gave me


About the million dollars obviously he's not gunna take it because then it would be obvious, and if he just hangs on a little longer he's gunna get the money from insurance anyway. Theres no point of taking the million dollars from the businessman

[Killswitch]

I never said I didn't care about life. Letting her die would be the right thing to do. Would you want to live like that? I sure as hell wouldn't. If all I could do for the rest of my life is blink my eyes, there would be no point in continuing on.

[Amazon]

Agree with Killswitch. If it was me, i`d rather go to eternal sleep. It`s not " a life"..

[dirtydx]

its that Politics and money have more say than human life. The only thing we can do is sit and watch as someone starves to death, that's the real issue. We don't know if she can feel pain or not, we don't know if she enjoys her life, and its a retarded argument that goes around and around and around in circles.