street racing issues

[Igovert500]

OK, so I'll start this as I've received a fair amount of IMs after closing those two "there are 1_ locked threads" threads. This is the appropriate place to voice concerns, and I'll link it in my sig so people can find it easily.

I guess I'll start with my issues, and you guys can respond and/or post your concerns as you see fit. But let's keep our tempers aside, I'll close this at the first signs of flaming. Let's keep it civil

I know everyone is annoyed with all the threads that keep getting locked...now why does this happen?

1) Threads are brought back from the proverbial 'dead'. Members, typically, but not only new ones, forget/overlook the previous posted dates and add a comment ressurecting an old thread. You all hate this, but there is little that can be done, other than making sure you don't do it, and informing new members that this is frowned upon

2) Flaming...all of us do it to some extent...it's the street racing section, there is an element of competition and rivalry...fine, but everybody is intelligent enough to know when it gets out of hand. Obviously, there are a few who seem to be on the receiving end more than others...what gets old really fast, is when 20 members all jump on the same person's back for the same thing. If a member makes an unintelligent comment, lie, whatever, than deal with it...either call his bluff, attempt at proving him wrong, report the thread to a moderator...whatever, just don't everybody beat a dead horse. There is a line, and it seems more and more that members (especially those that have been around awhile) are crossing it. I'll be quite honest...I find it ridiculous, that some of you complain about other stuff, when you are clearly guilty of this crap. I know I'm not alone when I say that sometimes I feel like this is grade school antics. IMO, if you want to have grounds to complain about others, then don't be a prick the rest of the time (once again, not naming names, not trying to start an argument, this is how I feel, and if you agree/disagree, feel free to comment. If you think I'm a prick, fine, say so...but let's do it in an adult manner)

3) The threads started about other closed threads is just stupid...you guys know the rules, the guidelines strictly state not to do it, so don't. It doesn't help the situation, and only creates more rifts than bridges.

4) This isn't really related to the others, more of a 100% personal thing...I find more and more that I am annoyed by the continual ricer comments. Yes, we all know what a ricer is...we've all heard every joke in the book. And we all know that there are morons out there that really do think vinyl is god's greatest gift to racers. We all have run ins with these people, and some are quite funny. But 30 clique replies about NAWWWSSS, type-R badges, fartcans, etc...get REALLY REALLY OLD. Also the honda bashing...I mean seriously, I've seen more riced cavs in the past day then I've seen hondas (riced or not) in the past week. Any car can be riced out, quit the generic honda bashing.

5)Import vs. Domestic crap...obviously this happens every so often, and we all know the arguments of both sides. Both have valid points, both have absolute crap. If you are like me, you are just sick of these, and don't even want to read or post in them anymore. If they are debated intelligently then they are worthwhile...but few remain intelligent discussions for very long.

So basically what I'm getting at...bottom line, I don't think these are problems created solely by new members...so if you all care about the quality of the Street racing subforum, then I suggest each of us as individuals tries a bit harder to remain adult. The forum is there to relate fun stories, not constantly argue and bicker. If everybody ups the caliber of their posting a bit, then 90% of the threads would remain open for longer than 2 hours. So yeah, that is just my .02 I don't mean to single anyone out, just wanted to have a thread for this, and I figured I'd start first.

[dampachi]

I agree with everything that you're saying..but so many of the threads are getting closed for going off topic. Though we remain civil, no flaming..just a nice cool conversation. It gets locked. The conversation just took a turn elsewhere..what's the big deal? The 'nice kill', 'great job', 'fuck ricers' shit gets old reallllllll fast, too. As long as it's still vaguely related..and isn't TOO stupid..and isn't hostile..I think it should just be left alone. Some threads DO get a little heated..and alot of time it's my fault..but come on..it makes things more interesting. As long as the posts aren't just 'fuck you' I think *SOME* shit talking should be overlooked. All the fun threads are locked now. What do we got now? Some depressing story about some kid dying..some thread about kills you're ashamed of and like..that's pretty much it. I could see locking some of the threads that have been going on a litttttttle bit too long..to make room for the new ones. But..we don't have anything that's really new that anythings getting in the way of. Alot of us are getting snow/bad weather..so nothing new is really going on..so some threads might have a bit longer shelf life than they would at say..the middle of summer. I guess that's all I got to say.

[KaotiKCamaro5]

you want my honest opinion.. its gonna be impossible to try n keep everyone in line. in any forum tempers will flare and egos will clash..

*i more or less feel like you wasted a lot of time and effort in your post, really all you did was restate some of the guidelines highlighted by AF. which i dont think a lot of the members take the time to even read.. and really a post half a page long isnt gonna get the message across very well either, i'd highlight key points in a direct manner with certain members through PMs because that seems to be the only way to get things done around here. say what you will

[dampachi]

Yeah..it maybe a good idea to use actual examples.


BTW: kaotik..since when did you donate? did you just recently donate? or have I been overlooking that?

[FormulaLT1]

Originally Posted by dampachi

I agree with everything that you're saying..but so many of the threads are getting closed for going off topic. Though we remain civil, no flaming..just a nice cool conversation. It gets locked. The conversation just took a turn elsewhere..what's the big deal? The 'nice kill', 'great job', 'fuck ricers' shit gets old reallllllll fast, too. As long as it's still vaguely related..and isn't TOO stupid..and isn't hostile..I think it should just be left alone. Some threads DO get a little heated..and alot of time it's my fault..but come on..it makes things more interesting. As long as the posts aren't just 'fuck you' I think *SOME* shit talking should be overlooked. All the fun threads are locked now. What do we got now? Some depressing story about some kid dying..some thread about kills you're ashamed of and like..that's pretty much it. I could see locking some of the threads that have been going on a litttttttle bit too long..to make room for the new ones. But..we don't have anything that's really new that anythings getting in the way of. Alot of us are getting snow/bad weather..so nothing new is really going on..so some threads might have a bit longer shelf life than they would at say..the middle of summer. I guess that's all I got to say.

To be honest I don't want to have to read about you and CivRacer95 talk about what the white man did to the American Indian's and how you should donate money to him and blah blah blah blah. That dragged its way into how many threads?(exactly how entertaining do you think that is for the rest of us that went into a "racing" forum) Its off topic and It doesn't interest me at all. IM or PM him if you guys like talking about it. I also don't like having hostile conversions with other people so that is also a big flaming no for allowing that. Also your right alot of the threads are getting locked because of you recently one day your all gung ho street racer making video, the next Redneck has to keep asking you to stop the anti street racer crusade cause you got a ticket(unrelated to street racing I might add). Pick a side and stick to it!!!!!!. All in all I see good things happen for the street racing forum, Neutrino has gotten us Video hosting which is a big bonus and the weather is getting nicer so we will all be able to get out there and see what our cars can do. I think the problem we are experiencing are temporary and as soon as we all learn to follow the rules a little bit better we won't have this problem, my .

John

[KaotiKCamaro5]

and dampachi, it was a recent donation. arent the pink stars the coolest?

[clawhammer]

My biggest problem is about newbies (under 10 posts) coming and asking what car should I get for street racing, who would win, etc. How can we avoid these posts, because apparently stickies aren't enough.

[-Jayson-]

ive got a good idea, atleast i think it it. Alot of people look at the street racing section not only as racing, but as a general performance section. Maybe its because most of the people who street race continually upgrade their cars performance. So why not make an Street Racing Offtopic section. Where we can have the post related to street racing or car performance in general, but not have them clog up the actual street racing section? ALl the offtopic junk can go in their and ask all the "what upgrades should i get", "where do you race at" "what car should i buy", "what do you think of my car", "look at my new part", "look at my car", "look at my vid" as so forth.

This should keep everyone happy.

[dampachi]

uhh. the only anti-street racing comment i made was full of sarcasm. i never said in my thread that i made about my ticket that no one else should street race. just for now, i'm taking a break. i still love street racing and will always be a street racer. just for the time being..i cooled down. i'm sorry if you haven't figured out what sarcasm and irony are.




BTW: Thanks for editing my sig.

[FormulaLT1]

Originally Posted by dampachi

BTW: In MD...12 points = suspended license. If you're caught street racing..it's speeding+reckless driving+engaging in a drag race on public road+whatever else they can throw at you. Totalling atleast 16 points. Which is an automatic suspension. It just isn't worth it anymore.

Originally Posted by dampachi

You know..street racings bad. If you didn't know yet..I just got a $275 speeding ticket for going 83mph. Oh yeah..and five points. I'm just glad I didn't get caught street racing. I don't know if I'll ever street race again.

Yeah I see what you mean . Also I sent you a PM explaining my reasoning for removing the link in your sig which got another member banned. I am so glad you find it approriate to bring it up in open forum rather than PM me back if you had a problem with my decision. I don't have anything personal against you and was basically just agreeing with you about, some of it is your fault(you made the point first). If you think I am out to get you feel free to PM a admin or another mod and ask them to deal with it. Otherwise just take my comments under consideration. Thats all I ask.

[clawhammer]

Originally Posted by -Jayson-

ive got a good idea, atleast i think it it. Alot of people look at the street racing section not only as racing, but as a general performance section. Maybe its because most of the people who street race continually upgrade their cars performance. So why not make an Street Racing Offtopic section. Where we can have the post related to street racing or car performance in general, but not have them clog up the actual street racing section? ALl the offtopic junk can go in their and ask all the "what upgrades should i get", "where do you race at" "what car should i buy", "what do you think of my car", "look at my new part", "look at my car", "look at my vid" as so forth.

This should keep everyone happy.

I like that idea. Another option would be to have a script running that would check if the person has less than 10 posts, and then take them to the rules page before posting their thread.

[Thourun]

I say just give people a weeks vacation if they violate the guidlines on making threads, even non-noobs, your not special just because of your post count.

[dampachi]

Redneck asked me ONE TIME to not say anti street racing things..then I informed him of it being sarcastic..and all was well. And the forums get boring with the same old shit..so we tend to stray a bit off topic. So what? What's it hurt for us to stray a bit off? And yes, getting a ticket IS loosely relevant to street racing. It's just like my car accident thread. I post those things in the street racing forum because those are the people who know me/that I talk to. And I'm just letting them know whats up.

[FormulaLT1]

The problem isn't you creating a thread about your ticket in the street racing forum or bringing up a car accident in a new thread. The problem is all the threads going off topic. You didn't leave your little ticket problem in one thread. You brought it up in others and your not going off topic in one thread, Your carrying it off in many. I am not the local Street racing mod. So I can't allow you one off topic thread. You would need one of the local mods for that area to OK it for you but I am telling you that allowing you to go off topic in every thread would be unfair to the other members.

John

[dampachi]

Oh no..so I can't reference to other threads? Let's use an example.

AFUser1: I just raced a car.
AFUser2: I just raced a car, too..I posted about it two days ago.
AFUser3: So yeah, AFUser2..how did that go?

So that's wrong, huh?