SRT-4 Stage 3R.......holly crap!

Musashi3000GT · #1 03-09-2005, 09:37 AM

I just got a Mopar magazine with an article of the new stage 3 setup for the SRT-4. It's for up to 355HP! thats crazy considering its a factory instal. I have been toying around with the idea of getting a new car for some time now, I was looking into the EVO but now I might just try for the SRT again. I rulled out the STI way long ago cause my best friend got one and I* just think those motors are wayyyyyy to weak. plus its so hard to mod them, everything is tied into the ECU....even the BOV is a hard mod.
Anyway the Evo is what like 276hp for 30,000.00 and it like 34 grand after dealer fees? the SRT is below 22 and about 25 after dealer fees plus I've heard of SRTs with stage 2 kits and turbo toys trapping low 13s.......never seen it just heard about it. and I've heard they can kill an Evo and an STI from a roll. So how hard is it to mod an EVO? out of the three its the one with the worst warranty and worst dealer service and its got a heavy sticker price so what do you have to do to get it up in the 300 hp range? I seen so many SRTs on stock internals tapping close to 400HP already.
I hope Steiner answers to this cause I know you just tradded in your SRT for the EVO so maybe you know something I dont.
I'm not trying to put down any of these cars I'm just wondering which would be a smarter buy if I finally decide to get rid of the 3s.

SpeedDemon101 · #2 03-09-2005, 10:02 AM

the sti has 300hp...how is that weak?

-Jayson- · #3 03-09-2005, 10:04 AM

well also think about what you want besides power. The srt4 is barely above a baseline model when it comes to features. Where as an EVo or Sti is gonna come loaded with all the extras that makes driving a little more fun. But if i were going for just grunt HP, id look at an SRT4.

Musashi3000GT · #4 03-09-2005, 10:29 AM

The Evo dosent offer much in features. its got alot of performance like the active center dif and what not but a momo steering wheel and aluminum pedals? comon those thing will run you less then 300 bucks on e-bay. the radio is crap, the seats are huge. they where built for fat yankees with overweight asses. I feel like im in a sofa when I sit in those! The STI may lack the sound system but it is a little bit more for the price. the interior is deffenetly nicer and the adjustable HIDs are sweet too plus whatever little crap I'm missing out on.
I didnt mean the 300HP is weak. I mean the motor is really weak. go to NASOIC and read up on all the tunning horror stories. the pistons are so dellicate and the biggest problem they have is computer management. the ECU is a bitch and rejects alot of mods. it probably the most complicated car to mod that I've seen in a long time. I like STIs but I gotta admit I've never seen someone so regretfull about dumping 35 grand into a car a I've seen in STI owners. (not all just some) The EVO is a tunners wet dream, it really is tuner friendly and the aftermarket is bigger then the STI's but I just wonder how difficult it will be to maintain since Mitsubishi wont even honor an oil change on these cars cause as soon as you drive off they revokr the warranty for the stupidest crap.....sometimes they'll even make up shit just to revoke it.

drftk1d · #5 03-09-2005, 10:34 AM

4g63 has been used since 1989 (at least), so i'm sure there are plenty of ways to push it to 300 hp.

if i had the means i would pick the evo out of the three, maybe I'm biased since i know two people with them and they roxx0rz.

i what he means by the sti engine being "weak" is the fact that its a new engine and hasnt had much development time to get mods.

fierangero · #6 03-09-2005, 10:35 AM

355hp on a FWD car...good luck on a launch... and i thought the stock 240hp wheel hop/torque steer on those cars was bad...

clawhammer · #7 03-09-2005, 10:45 AM

As long as you're not dependent on the launch, you'll be fine. If most of your races are from a roll, then the SRT-4 will be fine.

Polygon · #8 03-09-2005, 11:26 AM

When Musashi said the STi engine was weak he didn't mean from a power standpoint. He meant that the engines are frail. They have weak pistons and the block is an open deck design. That is not ideal for modding. At best you could sleeve the block and change the pistons but you're still left with the fact that the ECU doesn't take well to changes.

If you get a WRX or and STi your best bet is to take it to COBB Tuning here in Salt Lake City.

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Originally Posted by fierangero

355hp on a FWD car...good luck on a launch... and i thought the stock 240hp wheel hop/torque steer on those cars was bad...

With uneven axles and an LSD I don't think that torque steer is much of a problem. Wheel hop can be solved with some stickier tires and some suspension work.

As for your dilemma Musashi, I don’t know what to tell you. I would love to own either car. The SRT-4 takes to mods very well and has a very strong drivetrain. Not to say that the Evo doesn’t. Now the Evo is a monster on the track. Not to say that the SRT-4 can’t handle.

Steiner is your best bet for an opinion having owned both.

-Jayson- · #9 03-09-2005, 11:27 AM

man idk, i just priced a SRT4 on dodge.com heres what i came up with,

- 2005 SRT4 M Pkg. $20,650.00

modify
- Primary: Black Clear Coat Included
- Interior: Dark Slate Gray Included

modify
- 2.4L 4-Cyl DOHC 16V H.O. Turbo Engine Included
- 2.6 Overall Top Gear Ratio Included
- 5-Speed Manual Transaxle Included

modify
- Premium Cloth High-Back Bucket Seats Included
- 205/50R17 89Y BSW Performance Tires Included
- 17" x 6.0" Aluminum Wheels Included
- 6 Speakers Included
- AM/FM Stereo with CD Player and CD Changer Controls Included
- Air Conditioning Included
- Power Sunroof $750.00

total was just a hair under 22,000. But thats a fully loaded SRT4. And i heard you get great insurance rates on them because they are still just a Neon.

Hmm, id take the SRT4

drftk1d · #10 03-09-2005, 11:44 AM

i heard the insurance sucked on it since they gotten into lots of accidents.

but hey the sti is safe!

Habibus · #11 03-09-2005, 11:55 AM

For me, 26 years old and with state farm insurance, and to have the same full coverage that I have on my 2000 SSEi (which is 76 a month) it would be 92 a month for an 05 SRT4, 94 a month for a 05 Evo, and 114 a month for an 05 STi. My insurance agent (and best friend, which is why I have so many quotes, he gets bored at work lol) doesn't know why the STi is so much more, it costs about the same as a 03 Cobra, and more than a 02 WS6. Oh yeah, a Porsche Carerra GT is 634 dollars a month for full coverage, hah!

SniperX13 · #12 03-09-2005, 12:01 PM

Personally, I would go with the SRT-4. I think its exterior styling is way better than the EVO. the EVO just doesn't look right. I would like it better if they retained the styling cue's from the EVO 3's.

Skyline_R32_Canada · #13 03-09-2005, 12:05 PM

this is a very easy decsion
track car - srt4
amazing daily driver - wrx or evo

bottom line is...if you have the money for a wrx/sti or evo then for god's sake dont get an srt4

3KSL95 · #14 03-09-2005, 01:43 PM

i have driven all three cars and by far the most fun to drive is the evo the handling is incredible, however i hate its interior its awfull, the sti is a monster to with a great interior but it suffers from bad understeer, and ive heard the same thing about the mods prob, the srt-4, well its fast as hell but i didnt enjoy driving it for the simple fact that the launch is well crappy to me nothing compares to an AWD launch if i were you musashi i would go for the evo.

But if i had 20 - 30 grand my car of choice would be the 98-99 vr-4 Cant go wrong there and you will kick the crap outa all three of the others.

Polygon · #15 03-09-2005, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by drftk1d

i heard the insurance sucked on it since they gotten into lots of accidents.

but hey the sti is safe!

That is because the SRT-4 is inexspensive and you have all types of boy racers buying them that don't know how to handle a car with that much power. The SRT-4 happens to have a five star crash rating.

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