So now the government can't kill children.

[2strokebloke]

It appears that it has been ruled unconstitutional for minors to be tried as adults so they can recieve the death penalty. I'm assuming it is considered an "unusual" punishment because apart from the U.S. only a handful of backward third world countries execute children (such as Iran).
Less than half of the United States would try children as adults in hopes of getting the death penalty, so I suppose it's not really a big deal anyway - considering that by the time they get out of prison (if at all) should they murder again, they would be old enough to recieve the death penalty.
A step forward for human rights I suppose.

[dugie6551]

Or instead of killing them ... they could send them into Michael Jackson's prison cell for a little "touchy, feely" and some "juice".

[YogsVR4]

The federal government had already eliminated the execution of people under 18. It was a handful of states that still practiced it.


Its so nice that the criminals are being kept alive, given three squares a day, entertainment materials and visits from relatives. The people they murdered get to rot in the ground. Yup - sure sounds fair to me.

If prisons were tough enough that the prisoners wanted to kill themselves, then it'd be worth keeping them alive. Otherwise they should be executed.

One step back for victims.

[sivic02]

Originally Posted by YogsVR4

If prisons were tough enough that the prisoners wanted to kill themselves, then it'd be worth keeping them alive. Otherwise they should be executed.

Could just be the morbid side of me (thats the side of me that shows when im awake) but I like the way you think. I say we take someone fairly psychotic like saddam and put him in charge of our prison system. That should straighten some of those folks out. Either that or we could just have Clay Aiken play for the prisoners every day, I can promise the suicide rate would double the first day.

Oh, and fry the little bastards. If they are old enough to be able to kill someone then they are old enough to face the consequences.

[Raz_Kaz]

Murderers should face the same faith as their victims. Either that or they should be tortured.

[taranaki]

Originally Posted by sivic02

Oh, and fry the little bastards. If they are old enough to be able to kill someone then they are old enough to face the consequences.

Andrew Golden ,age 11




Mitchel Johnson,age13



between them, they killed 5 and wounded 5 on an attack on their school.'Frying' them, would not bring those people back,nor will it prevent a repeat incident.Kids that age simply don't comprehend the consequences.Far better to make it much harder for them to access the firearms that turn juvenile fantasy into deadly reality.




Jon Venables (left) and Robert Thompson

Aged nine when they abducted a toddler from his mother in a shopping mall,walked him two miles then beat him to death and left him on a railway line.

'Frying' them would be a simple act of vengeance. Wish I could figure out what led them to do it, then maybe I could offer some way of preventing a reoccurence.One thing is for certain though.Killing these two children wwould not have prevented any other 9 year old from doing something similar if the mood took them.

[Raz_Kaz]

Let the family of the victims decide their punishment. It's only fair.

[KustmAce]

Originally Posted by Raz_Kaz

Murderers should face the same faith as their victims. Either that or they should be tortured.

I think theyshould be driven insane. Like the guy who parked his car on the train tracks, lock him in a cell with train sounds looping 24/7. For killers, babies and women crying, and men screaming. Etc...

[sivic02]

taranaki, When I was those kids age I knew that if someone died they wouldnt come back. I knew if you shoot someone they might die. I knew if you beat someone long enough it would kill them. Sure offing the little bastards wont bring anyone back but if I were the one to flip the switch on the chair I wouldnt loose a wink of sleep over it. If someone does something wrong like kill someone I dont care how old you are, you need to be punished. If you beat someone to death I dont care if you are 9 or 90 you deserve to be slowly slaughtered. I say make an example out of kids like that. Fry them and let it be known around the world that they are going to be fried. That way maybe when some kid goes, hey lets take my dads gun and go shoot it into a crowd maybe his friend will say, no that heartless bastard named Matt will make sure we killed slowly and painfully.


(hmm, why yes Matt I would have to agree with you)
Thanks Saddam!

[taranaki]

well, I have a 10 year old daughter and an 8 year old son.I can tell you from my own observations that no matter how dire the threats of punishment, no matter how many times you repeat yourself, no matter how many times you demonstrate some things to them, their brains are not sufficiently developed to consistently fully understand cause and effect, or rules and consequenses.If you are happy to murder them for not understanding such things, I'll leave it for your consience to correct you at a later date.

[Muscletang]

Originally Posted by taranaki

Looks like Rosemary's babies grew up.

I say every single one of those kid's heads needs to roll. If you don't like it, tuff.

If the kids can't do the time, they shouldn't do the crime.

[taranaki]

Originally Posted by Muscletang

I say every single one of those kid's heads needs to roll. If you don't like it, tuff.

Your government says not.I applaud the US government for this decision.If you don't like it,tough.





...........I'd applaud even more if the last allegedly civilised country to retain the death penalty abolished it altogether.As far as I m concerned, the deliberate killing of another human being is murder,regardless of whether it is sanctioned by a judge or not.

It's time that the former colonies shook off their neandethal roots and moved into a more civilised era.The repeal of laws allowing the execution of children is a good place to start [72 lives have been spared immediately as a result], next should come the repeal of all forms of death sentence.I'm at a loss to see why America continues to live by the standards of countries like China and Iran on this issue. Judging by the numbers ending up on death row, it is not an effective measure against crime.Yogs will doubtless argue that dead men can't reoffend, but then neither can those who are incarcerated for life.Others may bleat about the cost ofkeeping them alive,but one could argue that Government wastes far more on protracted appeals and legal procedures than it could ever possibly cost to feed the offender.One of those who today had his death sentence cancelled on the grounds that he was a minor at the time of his offence is 43 years old.That's 25 years of legal arguments, no way can you tell me that it will cost more than that to keep him for another 40.

[TexasF355F1]

Originally Posted by taranaki

well, I have a 10 year old daughter and an 8 year old son.I can tell you from my own observations that no matter how dire the threats of punishment, no matter how many times you repeat yourself, no matter how many times you demonstrate some things to them, their brains are not sufficiently developed to consistently fully understand cause and effect, or rules and consequenses.If you are happy to murder them for not understanding such things, I'll leave it for your consience to correct you at a later date.

That is true. But it also depends on things they've seen. By the time I was in 6th grade I had lost both my grandfathers and had probably been to more funerals than i could count on both of my hands. Through that I had an understanding of death.

[SnoopisTDI]

Originally Posted by taranaki

Others may bleat about the cost ofkeeping them alive,but one could argue that Government wastes far more on protracted appeals and legal procedures than it could ever possibly cost to feed the offender.One of those who today had his death sentence cancelled on the grounds that he was a minor at the time of his offence is 43 years old.That's 25 years of legal arguments, no way can you tell me that it will cost more than that to keep him for another 40.

That's just because we have too many fucking lawyers.

I am in favor of the death penalty, but I think there has to be a better way to find them innocent or guilty. It just seems too easy to get the conviction these days. If you can appeal something for 25 years, you probably shouldn't have been convicted in the first place. But I don't know how we can change that. I don't mind frying the bad guys, but the thought of executing someone who was wrongly convicted is horrible.

[lickem]

Wow, sensitive topic,
Taranaki


Children are incapable of realizing the full consequences of their actions.
As For Adults, The death penalty should stand, I am reminded if a man who shot and killed a convience store clerk when he was 19, he was put on death row, after a series of apeals he was released from prison 25 years later,within 2 weeks of his release he raped and beat to death a 12 year old girl, and he was caught and executed.
I ask "Why didnt they get the job done the first time?" Probably along the same lines as what the little girls parents asked.