Another reason for the UN to be shut down.

[Flatrater]

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/UnitedNat...=489306&page=1

[taranaki]

More an argument for direct justice against those who bring the UN and humanity into disrepute.

I get really worried when people start talking about removing the organisation that provides the world's checks and balances. If your cause is just ,honest and open, the chances are that the UN will support it.As with every large organisation, there will alway be a few people who abuse their positions, and they should be rooted out and punished for it.

Screaming for the UN to be dismantled on the slimmest of grounds smacks of another agenda.That other agenda is wanting to bully the rest of the world into doing things your way and assuming the role of the UN for yourself.

Nobody appointed the US to replace the UN, and every time some redneck bleats for its removal, it highlights the need for it to remain and be strengthened against acts of despotism on the largest scale.

[Flatrater]

Calling me a redneck isn't going to change the facts the UN is corrupt from the top down and has no power to enforce anything. The UN is a waste of space. But if you really want the UN to remain maybe you could find a nice piece of land in New Zealand for the UN to use because the corruption is stinking up my area.

This isn't the first case of abuse or corruption on the part of the UN and I am sure its not the last.

The UN can stay open if you want but it should learn to survive without the US money that keeps it running.


http://www.thenewamerican.com/tna/20...19-2004/un.htm

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp...nguage=printer

[T4 Primera]

Prove that it was UN policy to carry out these crimes and you may have a point.

Here's something that says it wasn't and that the UN will hang them out to dry by waiving diplomatic immunity if necessary. I didn't have to look far because it was linked off the story you posted.

http://abcnews.go.com/images/2020/codeofconduct1.pdf

[taranaki]

Originally Posted by Flatrater

Calling me a redneck isn't going to change the facts

If it walks like a duck,and quacks like a duck, and has feathers like a duck, chances are its a duck.

Your spin on events should in no way be taken as facts. Rather it should be seen as evidence of your determination to make events fit your beliefs.

Originally Posted by Flatrater

The UN can stay open if you want but it should learn to survive without the US money that keeps it running.

Glad to see that for all its faults, your government still isn't redneck enough to listen to such utter crap.

[Muscletang]

If the U.N. didn't have France as one of the head countries it'd be alright. As you know, the U.S., England, Russia, and China are the other countries that have power over the U.N. France couldn't defend their own country right and caved in unlike the others during WW2. Why should France then get a say in world affairs?

[taranaki]

Go have a look at the history of the UN for the answer.Instead of trying to reduce the number of countries with input, the UN should be working to lessen the undue influence of the five senior members.If they can't use the right of veto responsibly, it should be scrapped.

[Flatrater]

Originally Posted by taranaki

, it should be scrapped.

I agree with you there.

[taranaki]

Agree that the 'veto' system should be used responsibly or scrapped, or are you just picking random clusters of words out of context and assigning them a meaning that fits your prejudices?

[YogsVR4]

I've posted many times justifying why the UN should be eliminated. Time and time again, they've shown to be corrupt and ineffective at pretty much everything. Rwanda, Nigeria, Sudan, Korea and the Balkans are just a handful of the miserable failures on its resume. It doesn't even qualify as a debating society. The ravings of the simple minded in support of the UN doesn't invalidate the fact the UN is little more then the newest version of the League of Nations and needs to suffer the same fate.

[taranaki]

The successes of the UN are the things that didn't happen, in much the same way that the successes of US defence policy have been the wars that never got fought.Having stood within sight of an armed and potentially dangerous enemy of equal magnitude for decades, and won out by sheer willpower, it belittles the work of the Defence department to go starting tinpot wars in third world countries over non-existent weapons that have been faced and beaten before.

Curiously, the nation most vocal in calling for the abolition of the UN is the one that was made to look stupid by the aUN weapons inspectors.The world knows that the farce in Iraq is a sham to cover business interests, and the baying of republicans for an end to the UN is just an attempt to divert attention away from their own inadequacies.Before Americans whine about corruption,dishonesty and failure, they should take a good look at their own administration.

[fredjacksonsan]

Close it.

Any organization that has 5 members with power over the remaining members (with no chance of change) is unfair and unjust. This is supposed to be a positive force in the world, not a club where the senior members can veto any idea they don't like.

I'm not saying the UN hasn't done good things; it has.

But it was set up after WWII by the winners in the war. It needs to either be changed, to give other nations enough power to overcome a veto, or remove the veto power entirely and make it an egalitarian organization. Since any suggestion to make those changes are likely to be vetoed, IMO it's a better idea to scrap the whole thing and replace it by another organization that is just and fair.

'Naki, you're mistaken about the term "Redneck" :

Main Entry: red·neck
Pronunciation: 'red-"nek
Function: noun
1 sometimes disparaging : a white member of the Southern rural laboring class
2 often disparaging : a person whose behavior and opinions are similar to those attributed to rednecks

In my experience (having known some admitted rednecks) they don't care or in some cases may not even know about the UN.(So definition #2 doesn't apply, at least to Flatrater)

The UN is in New York and near to where Flatrater lives in Pennsylvania; PA is a northern state so calling him a redneck may not be appropriate. "Uppity Yankee" is, perhaps, more appropriate.

[YogsVR4]

Aside from Taranaki's obsessive need to insult a political party he doesn’t understand, people from across all political spectrum have wanted the US out of the UN for decades. This is nothing new.

Close it down and wrap it up. The UN is a disease and is working itself into oblivion. Let another dozen members join the Security Council and make sure they all have veto power. The more grid locked they get, the sooner more people will finally realize what a waste of space its become.

It’s a colossal failure. About the only thing it ever excelled at was it tooting its own horn and pushing paper around. Give the people of New York back their prime piece of real estate and send the UN someplace where the lemmings can ogle at its ineptitude.

[T4 Primera]

Thought I'd throw this in here - just so people have some facts to refer to.

The veto and how to use it

[fredjacksonsan]

Thanks T4; as usual you've got good info.

So veto = bad.