What is the ultimate production sleeper?

[wedgemotor]

IMO the 63 Sport Fury Max Wedge. Check out John Comstock's Copper stick shift on the net. I saw this car at the Norwalk Chrysler Classic a few years back and heard it driving around the track with the cutouts off, what a sound!

[samandiar]

the old 327/350hp chevy II was a sleeper, as was the 383 dart

[MrPbody]

My turn! I know, you're looking for some sort of Pontiac. NOT! My vote is the '70 Ford Falcon (based on Torino that year) with the 429 SCJ. I saw two of them sold in San Bernardino. Both had 4-speeds and 3.50 gears. They would FLY!

[wedgemotor]

These are great sleepers. The Chevy II base with the L-79 was definately one of the greatest sleepers, also the Torino/Falcon 429SCJ. The Dart was less of a sleeper because it only came in GTS form, not base model. The 340's were actually quicker though. Here's one for PONTIAC, the T-37 Lemans with the 455 HO motor and all the goodies. That was another great sleeper, and although not a GTO, definately a musclecar in my book, (and one of the fastest).

[wedgemotor]

If you guys want to see one of the coolest Torino's, I found one searching on the net. It's a 70 Torino base with a 429scj, shaker all white, no stripes, but has magnum 500's. Has drag-pac, blue bench seat, there is a video of it running too. I can't remember the site but I found it on Yahoo's video search. I believe I used Torino or Torino cobra for search listings. If you find it, there are 3 small video clips of it running, man this thing sounds so sweet, flowmasters and big solid cam, it sounds like a race car, but looks like a calm 302 Torino, check it out if you can find it.

[ASTAutoSales]

ultimate sleeper-80's models Grand Nationals turbo v-6 and they knock down serious numbers and will knock off anything in its class and above

[Robs71Nova]

I would have to agree with the Buick Grand National. It's not really a sleeper anymore because everyone knows what the cars are capable of, but in its time it was one hell of a sleeper.

Rob

[PMDtempest]

the 64 ford falcon, 63 SD455 catalina, 73 SD455 trans am, Regal T-Type "same as a GN but without all the body parts", 65 catalina 2+2, 64 fury max wedge 426 and thats all i can think of off the top of my head

[terzmo]

In 1977..the sleeper was..and this is pathetic...the fastest production vehicle in the qtr was the dodge pickup with the 440 motor. That's how far the car market declined...performance wise.

[wedgemotor]

It's funny how just 3 years earlier than that. The fastest American car was the '74 Trans AM SD455, a car capable of doing mid 13's on low compression, to your 77 comparison.

[4speedsupreme]

1966 W30

[wedgemotor]

Awesome ride! Looked definately like a sleeper and ran with the best of them.

[wedgemotor]

4 speed supreme must be pretty rare.

[4speedsupreme]

Originally Posted by wedgemotor

4 speed supreme must be pretty rare.

My car? I was looking for a 4 speed Cutlass Supreme and all I could find was a few 350 4 speeds too far away to get. I decided to buy a clean automatic car and switch it over. I was quite a pain to find the 4 speed components for an Oldsmobile. I did manage to get it all together though. Its now a 455 4 speed. I even hooked up the reverse lights and you have to put it in reverse to shut the key off just like factory. Its going to look like a sleeper too. I just got my steel wheels painted body color and they are going on with dog pans.

[MrPbody]

4speedsupreme, was that a 400 or 425? I've seen '69 and '70 W-30s, but never heard of anything before that. They were 455s. The 455 was introduced in '68. Just curious. Knew a man in Napa many years ago, that had a '67 442 with a 425 in it. That car ran well. 13s, pretty much stock, with slicks and headers, 3x2 carbs (I believe the 3 dueces was a '66 unit). We had to put TriPower on John's '64 428-powered GTO to beat it. That's saying a lot, as that GTO gave 'em hell!