Celica Vs. 3000GT

[Twizted_3KGT]

I just have a couple questions that need answering. I am seriously considering getting rid of my 3S and buying a 2000 GTS. And if I get the GTS it'll have to have the Kaminari body kit. So here goes:

1. Which should I go for a 3000GT VR4 (idk what year) or the GTS?

2. How hard is it to get the GTS into the mid 13's 1/4 mile?

3. Is it easy to turbo the GTS or swap the GT-4 engine in? By easy I mean are there a lot of kits out there.

4. Any common problems with them? (I'm in school to be a Toyota Technician so i'm hoping i'll get a bunch of "it's a Toyota, no problems")

5. If I get the GTS will I get more than 20 MPG?? I'm so sick of getting 20 MPG and under lol.

Thanks for anyone's help.

[Vip09]

Originally Posted by Twizted_3KGT

I just have a couple questions that need answering. I am seriously considering getting rid of my 3S and buying a 2000 GTS. And if I get the GTS it'll have to have the Kaminari body kit. So here goes:

1. Which should I go for a 3000GT VR4 (idk what year) or the GTS?

2. How hard is it to get the GTS into the mid 13's 1/4 mile?

3. Is it easy to turbo the GTS or swap the GT-4 engine in? By easy I mean are there a lot of kits out there.

4. Any common problems with them? (I'm in school to be a Toyota Technician so i'm hoping i'll get a bunch of "it's a Toyota, no problems")

5. If I get the GTS will I get more than 20 MPG?? I'm so sick of getting 20 MPG and under lol.

Thanks for anyone's help.

The VR4 will be A LOT faster than a GT-S.

A few people have gotten high 13's (13.7) with just intake, drag radials, apexi power fc (ecu replacement), and weight reduction.

To swap the 3S-GTE in, it will cost about $10,000.. everything will need to be custom fitted. The engine will also have to be built up or it would not be worth it because of the weight gain. The weight of the 3S-GTE is more than TWICE that of the 2zz-ge in the GT-S.

A stage 1 turbo kit (bolt on, no need to upgrade internals) will get you to around 240whp on the GT-S. That would be mid 13's with some drag radials. http://www.c2power.com

No common problems with the car itself... only if it's driven incorrectly. Miss-shifts are common because the shift gates on the 6 speed are extremely close together.

You will definitely get over 20MPH..

[Twizted_3KGT]

hmm well that kinda sucks...now I gotta decide between speed and gas mileage and I don't know which one I want more...I like the looks either way. This is gonna take some thought.

[3of9]

well first you have to decide if u r running turbo or na cuz na will be more work to make it hit 13s but with turbo u could make it hit 13s easy but u will need new tires, slicks, drag radails, watever so u wont lose power at the wheels. i dont know to much but my uncle has an rsx type s which is in the same class as the gts and he is running na and able to hit 13s with drag radials or slicks. his motor isnt fully built or any thing it just has cold air intake and some internals worked on but if u do the same thing with a gts i think u would get about the same results...

[3of9]

o and vr4s are crazy fast but not as reliable as a toyota. and money wise ur better off with the gts i think...

[Twizted_3KGT]

Yeah i'd agree about the money thing...and that's my dilema...I don't know if I want to save money more or go fast more...i'm in college so I will probably need money...but I definitely want to hit a 12 second 1/4 mile this year...maybe I should just buy a VR4 for the summer and get the GTS after...that's a good idea I think

[LaYzIeNoY]

VR-4s are twitchy, and repairs cost an arm and a leg

my dad had one, they are very heavy too so you would need to remove alot of stuff for weight, they are nice overall though

the GTS would be the better choice for money reason as repairs would be futher in between and cheaper to have done, better economy

[Twizted_3KGT]

hmm...I don't know what you mean by twitchy...

And as far as the weight issue, all I would need is a turbo timer/boost controller and cleared exhaust to get to high 12's...according to everyone on in the 3000GT forum at least. I'm not trying to make a race car or anything...just one 12 sec run and i'll be happy until i'm in a higher tax bracket lol.

But if it would cost about the same to get a GTS into the high 12/low 13 range as buying and slightly modding a VR4...then i'd shoot for the GTS b/c it's more reliable and cheaper to repair like you said. Is there anyone on here with a low 13 GTS?

[91 Celica St]

dont go for a 3kgt...im gunna get flammed by the 3kgt guys when they come over and read this but....
i love the 3kgt, but there not really good...reasons being

3600 curb weight, thats ALOT of car, not to mention the motors crap out, alot...ive known 4 diffrent people with vr-4's 2 with sl's and one n/a regular one with a 3.5 liter ontero swap that was faster than everyone else i knew, including the vr-4's, and elmost every single one had a rebuild by 100,000 miles... even an sl that my firneds mom drives had to be rebuilt

no i dont care what they tell u ur not looking at 12''s with just a booost controller UNLESS ur hittn unsafe levels of boost...yes you could run 12's but you could run 12's 1 or 2 times before yoru motor blows...not literally its jsut not safe to run that much boost w a 3kgt with a stock head gasket and not building it, and youll probably get one w semi high miles...
high miles+alot of boost=dead motor

yes i like 3000gt's alot, i was thinking abotu gettnign one becasue i love the AWD and the power it makes, but its just not as good as something like a supra, or a 300Zx simply becuase ive never seen a reliable 3000gt

i personally dont think the 3kgt motor is even that great, i would go for the celica becuase its ALOT lighter and way more reliable....meh just soemthing to think about, haha ima get bitched at for this watch

[Twizted_3KGT]

lol I would bitch at you, but that's your opinion...I like my SL it hasn't given me any sh*t at all and I haven't seen any other problems with the 3kgt other than lifter tick that are common (other than the transfer case breaking for 1st gens, which was recalled)...if I could afford Supra, I would definitely go for it...but a 91-95 VR4 w/ under 90K is in my range...The only thing about the Z that I don't like is the way the front looks...even with a body kit...cant have that...I was considering 93+ RX-7 but those seem like they would be wayy too expensive to maintain (since they naturally burn oil).

I saw stats on the one 3kgt w/ the 3.5 Montero swap, they said it ran like 13.5 in the 1/4...which is about even w/ a stock 94+ VR4. As far as handling goes, my SL handles just as well as my 92 Integra did...I didn't think it would but it does...but a VR4 does weigh about 600 lbs more than the SL.

So anywayz, if you can't tell I was aiming for someting...anything twin turbo'd...but none of them (besides what i cant afford) cover all the areas of performance and looks well enough to me...so then I started thinking what's the best looking car that I could turbo...and I searched through Ebay deciding and came up w/ a 2000+ Celica...and since i'm in the Toyota/Lexus program at school it would kinda be perfect. Which is why I wanted to know cost's and what not for doing it to see if it's worth taking a shot at.

[91 Celica St]

it was probably my firneds montero swap his ran a 13.5... but yeah thats just my opinion..lotsa people have had prblems w the that i know....and then theres peopel that have no problems with them

[Twizted_3KGT]

Is it the one that got sold on EBAY?

[91 Celica St]

ahha no they went off ebay and did it privatly like 2 weeks later....yeah its that one, he sold it about 2 months after he bought it cuz it had problems, clutch and tranney went out when he boutght it cuz all the power and some other shit...but yeah thats the one, it was a shitload faster than his new car, he has a 350Z

[SigmaProjects]

aww, why not a 300ZX?

[Twizted_3KGT]

Well sorry Celica fans...but I happened to drive a TT Stealth the other day...and i'm sold. I had no idea it was gonna be THAT fast...gas mileage doesn't seem to matter to me anymore lol...i must be a speed freak.