what model integra?

ImportNut1212 · #1 03-12-2002, 02:07 PM

I've been lookin around AF world and saw a few places that some people think a GS integra is better than a GSR in the long run (if you want to mod it that is) they say save your money and just get the GS. I"m lookin into gettin a GSR in the next couple of months, but from what i've read around the forums, i'm thinking twice......so, GS or GSR......in your guys' opinions.

SleeperTeg · #2 03-12-2002, 02:10 PM

It all depends on what you are going to do.

GS = non-vtec 1.8
GSR = vtec 1.8 + higher compression

Speechless · #3 03-12-2002, 02:41 PM

I'm no expert on this, but as far as I know, the GS motor is more suited for forced induction.

That's good, if you're prepared to spend more than $5,000 US on the turbo/supercharger plus other components needed to accomodate boost.

It will also be much faster than a GSR.

However, if you don't have several thousands of dollars and the confidence & know-how to tune and tweak a turbo/supercharger, then get a GSR.
It's usually only a couple thousand more than a GS and considerably faster in stock form.

If you plan on doing some light modding (naturally aspirated) then the GSR is probably still the better buy. (if you can afford it)

Good luck whatever you decide. Either way, you'll end up with a fine car that's well suited either way for mods.

I'm planning on going naturally aspirated on my GS. In the end, it will probably only be as fast as a GSR (or not that much faster).

ImportNut1212 · #4 03-12-2002, 08:40 PM

either way, GS or GSR i'm planning on new internals and forced induction. new camshafts, new pistons, connecting rods, head gasket, valve springs, fuel system, intake, exhaust. and then probably a Drag gen III turbo. along with suspension components.

casperGSR · #5 03-12-2002, 09:08 PM

get the gsr.... yes a gs will be more suited for forced induction but that does not mean that a gsr can't be forced fed. I have a '00 turbocharged gsr and let me tell ya the thing is a blast to drive. There may be more things (i.e vtec) to mess around with in order to get the gsr motor properly tuned and tweaked with a turbo bolted on but ya can still slap a turbo or supercharger on it and haul ass

ImportNut1212 · #6 03-12-2002, 09:12 PM

:quote:There may be more things (i.e vtec) to
mess around with in order to get the gsr motor properly tuned and tweaked with a turbo bolted on :quote:

could you explain what you mean? i've heard a few people say that around here, but i'm not quite sure on what type of "messing around" i would have to do to get it properly tuned. thanx

casperGSR · #7 03-12-2002, 09:33 PM

from what I understand of it.... when you turbo a vtec motor (GSR OR TYPE R) you will probably run into the problem of valve overlap and lose potential power from the turbo. The way vtec works is that as the rpm's increase your first set of cams will start to slow down as the second set of cams kick in.... as far as I know on the GS the cams won't slow down since there is no vtec and there will be a consistent steady flow of power which when turocharged will be more effective then turboing a vtec. However, there are ways around this problem of turboing a vtec, just takes time and money... hope this helps some. If I'm wrong on this one people let me know.

ImportNut1212 · #8 03-12-2002, 09:37 PM

what kind of turbo do you have on your gsr and how much boost are you running? and about how much did it cost you total?

casperGSR · #9 03-12-2002, 09:43 PM

I have the drag gen III kit... turbonetics t3/t4e turbo, kit cost me $3300 with everything needed including new rc engineering injectors, boost and air fuel ratio gauge, apexi turbo timer, missing link, and next day air from cali out to CT. Right now I'm running just under 7 psi cause I'm running on stock internals... in the process of building them up so I crank the boost up

ImportNut1212 · #10 03-12-2002, 11:03 PM

i'm jealous.....are you happy with the kit so far? is that a complete list of the things that come with it? looks like it has more in the picture that www.importparts.com has on its site.

97teg · #11 03-12-2002, 11:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by casperGSR
The way vtec works is that as the rpm's increase your first set of cams will start to slow down as the second set of cams kick in....

I'm not bashing or anything, but thats not how vtec works. you have 2 cams, intake and exhaust. They always go proportional with the crank and dont change speed relative to the crank. When the rpm is high enough, hydraulic pressure builds up enough to activate an arm that locks the 2 intake or exhaust valves together and they both utilize a different cam lobe set for higher rpms so they get more air/fuel into the combustion chamber. Just didnt want people to get the wrong info on vtec..

xodus917 · #12 03-13-2002, 02:20 AM

i love my gs-r

get the gs-r, there's more different on it than just the motor, how bout the four wheel disk brakes, a close range gear ratio and better suspension. I love the vtec engine too, and the vtec does'nt nessarily mean its less capable of forced induction, there are many companies that sell turbo kits for the engine, D.R.A.G. and greddy (street legal). is there any kits out for the ls?

ps. casper, how did the turbo install go for the 2000, was there any problems with fitting, becuase the 2000-2001 gs-r's have a different exhaust setup (manifold, cat b-pipe) then from a 94-99

M-type · #13 03-13-2002, 06:21 AM

yes, i agree with the post above this one. GSRs have good stock equipments. Such as ABS. Did you know you cant get a civic with abs? Oh yeah i'm also interested with the 2000GSR turbo, how do you get around the exhaust problem?

SleeperTeg · #14 03-13-2002, 07:37 AM

Drag also makes a kit for the b19b series engine.

SleeperTeg · #15 03-13-2002, 07:38 AM

Whoa, thats a new one! I of course meant b18b

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