T-25 blown at 117K miles. 1.600 wheel installed. Upgrade?

[Shpyder]

A ton of blue smoke and a few wheezing noises later, my worst fears were confirmed when I felt for the turbo...the entire wheel moved.

I wanted a 16G, but the guy said that he would have to replace a bunch of stuff...slimmer fan, intake pipe, etc etc. I was short on cash for a major upgrade, so he got a new T-25 housing and ported and bored out the thing to fit a 1.600 sized compressor wheel.

I havent floored the car since I got it, but my question is:

for $1300, what sort of deal do you guys think I got?
And what boost should I run this turbo on?

(ALSO, is there any name for a modded t25 I think the wheel was small for a t28..?)

[kjewer1]

I'm really confused. You can't port or bore anything out to fit a given wheel without precision CNC machinery and the correct programming. Also, the housing has nothing to do with what was wrong with your turbo, unless the wheels made contact. But why wouldnt the new center section come with housings? Can't recomend a boost level since I still have no idea what turbo that is. And why did it cost 1300 bucks? I've bought used T25s for 75 dollars, and they bolt on in about an hour. Additionally, and EVO 16g with all the "extra" stuff you need comes out to around 800 bucks, not quite 1300 or more. So, your situation now has me completely confused

[Diplomat]

"for $1300, what sort of deal do you guys think I got?" - Shpyder

Is this dude supposed to be a friend? Hell, I would've happily sold you my 14B for half that... and that would be a rip off. Even Buschur Racing, one of the priciest DSM performance shops around, retails their EVO 3 16G (unported) for $560.00.

I would like to know what exactly this guy did to the T-25, as well. You're certain it's a T-25? Why did he even bother "tweaking" it? Does he know something the rest of us aren't aware of? Is he some kind of turbo guru in your town? Big name shop?

Hold on to your receipt and give us the details.

[spyderturbo007]

Wow, I'm confused?!?!? You need a slimmer fan for a 16g? There is definately something funky going on here. I think you got the shaft. I have seen EVO III's going for $500 - 550, add the $200 install kit and you are looking at most, $750. Throw in a little labor (if you don't do it yourself) and you would have enough money left over for a bigger fuel pump and some injectors. That sucks!!

[Shpyder]

i'm just as confused as everyone else here. With college starting the next day and not having the net set up yet at my new place, I simply did not have enough time to research...last minute haste and panic.
I think I might have been shafted as well.


HOWEVER...here is what they put in my car, by official manufacturer part number:

PART # CONDITION MODEL
466491-0006 TURBOCHARGER (NEW) TB2566
(GARRETT)


The part number for the original T25 was 466491-0005

Info wizards, is this good or bad news for my $1,300?

The guys didnt have very good verbal skills, but they had everything from dodge vipers to cummins diesels fro turbo repair there. dealer recommended. everything they tried telling me they had done soudned like they put a T28. i have huge doubts. turbo sounds louder, crisper, and does pull hard...?

[scottsee]

so, just to clairify things a little.... you spent 1300 american dollars, on a t25?

my advice.....next time somthing breakes...dont panic.

[Shpyder]

ok, any useful advice please?

[joemathews]

Well, according to this, the T25 and whatever turbo you got are the same price:

466491-0005 (*which you said was the T25...)
TURBOCHARGER (NEW)
TB2566
$1,375.00
$0.00
$996.88

466491-0006 (*which is the part number on your new turbo)
TURBOCHARGER (NEW)
TB2566
$1,375.00
$0.00
$996.88

This information is from http://www.powertechnologies-turbo.c...ochargers.html

It looks to me like you got an secondary part number for a brand new T25, unfortunately. Whoever did the work for you was undoubtedly a "part-swapper," and it makes sense that a dealership would reccommend him or his business.

There are a few easy ways to tell:
1) What boost are you running, and do you hit fuel cut? On 450s and the stock pump you should hit fuel cut on a T28 fairly soon after 16-17 psi.

2) Floor your car in 3rd gear and take it to or near redline. If you hold boost until close to redline, it is unlikely to be a T25, because on such a small turbo the car will stop pulling after about 5000-5500 rpms.

Neither of these methods is very good for the car, obviously...but I suspect you have a new, stock turbo.

Sorry for this unfortunate luck. Keep in mind that dealers are not into helping us modify our cars, and definitely not into doing custom jobs with bigger turbos. At least you have a brand new turbo that will keep your car reliable for years to come

[joemathews]

The other thing that is confusing all of us here is that you said the guy "ported and bored out the thing" to fit a "1.600 sized compressor wheel" when in fact the charge on the receipt is for a stock Mitsu parts number for a turbo the same price as a T25.

I would go back to whatever dealership you got this done at, and raise hell. Tell them you don't know what they've done to your car, but you believe they have been fraudlent in the information they have given you. Try and see if any mechanic knows exactly WHAT TURBO they charged you for and installed. If they cannot answer that, then they should be sued; if they tell you a stock T25, it sounds like they lied to you and should be sued.

Either way, your best shot is to try and work with them, and if they refuse, threaten legal action.

[george536]

Originally Posted by joemathews

The other thing that is confusing all of us here is that you said the guy "ported and bored out the thing" to fit a "1.600 sized compressor wheel" when in fact the charge on the receipt is for a stock Mitsu parts number for a turbo the same price as a T25.

I would go back to whatever dealership you got this done at, and raise hell. Tell them you don't know what they've done to your car, but you believe they have been fraudlent in the information they have given you. Try and see if any mechanic knows exactly WHAT TURBO they charged you for and installed. If they cannot answer that, then they should be sued; if they tell you a stock T25, it sounds like they lied to you and should be sued.

Either way, your best shot is to try and work with them, and if they refuse, threaten legal action.

Exactly what i would do, go back there and tell them wtf they did to your car for 1300? and if the tell you they put a new t25, then tel them why they lie to you about the rest of that stuff.

[Shpyder]

gulp...***


The turbo takes longer to spool but seems to pull harder than the T25...SEEMS to though...could be in the mind.


the guys manufacture their own turbos. Theyre called "Turbomasters" located in San Marcos, CA. They said they took a stocker T25 housing, and fitted a 1.6 compressor wheel to it, instead of a standard 1.5. They then showed me all this crazy looking equipment they used, everythin from a "balancer" to a "grinder", saying that they were 1 of 70 or so shops in the entire USA that had this sort of equippment AND had the skills to make their own turbochargers. He said the turbo they put in my eclipse was like many other turbos on the market, in that it was made of different turbo parts, like a hybrid thing...t25 housing, wheel from something else, blah blah.

All in all, I think Ive been screwed big time. I should have just asked for a 16G, PERIOD, no opinions mr.turbomasters grease munkey. fuck.......the car is way faster than before, but am going to dyno it soon to see how big of a shaft theyve plowed thru my ass. FCK.

[Shpyder]

KEVIN:

You can't port or bore anything out to fit a given wheel without precision CNC machinery and the correct programming. Also, the housing has nothing to do with what was wrong with your turbo, unless the wheels made contact.

hey i just saw that kevin. well, they had lots of precision machinery, all digitzed and fully loaded. ive been to a couple of places before, but they had all the bells and whistles. infact, the guy was working on a turbo doing something to it, on this ridcioulsly expensive looking machine...chising out something.

oh, and the housing was fine...the wheel had incredible play though...the turbo was blown though because i felt for it myself.


man...1300 bucks. sigh

[joemathews]

Well, no use in despairing until you dyno the car, right? I don't know what your goals for the car were, but see what you dyno, or take it to the track and see what it runs. Maybe you're in a range you were shooting for anyway...?

[metalhedskater]

I dont know man.....If i were you i would take it back or cancel the check or something. 1300 for that turbo even bored, clipped, ported, sprinkeld fairy dust and magical powder is still a lot of money. It doesnt even matter what it runs...its a t25 for christ sakes! You should really bitch at these guys dude. Dont let them get away with this kind of scam.

Also, i dont understand how you were "short" on cash. I mean $1300 is not really short on cash in my dictionary. Not only that, but you still have money for the dyno. So think 1300 + the dyno would have left you with a lot more money than you need to get a more efficient and better setup. Take it back dude! Take it back!

[Shpyder]

UPDATE:
ugh the car is faster than before, i didnt get what i asked for, which was a T28killer, and i paid cash to avoid tax. theres no reciept. th
I ran the car at 18 psi, and the turbo pulls hard to red line in third. I did several runs on the freeway, then had my brother sit in it to test it out. he feels it too. thoe turbo feels stronger, but the guy says he upgraded the T-25. So i asked him, its a T28 then right? he just nodded his head. looks like english isnt what he understands best and nods to everything. i dont think he knows what a t28 is. so basically, i shafted MYSELF. and the cash i used was not mine, but dad's, and now my a$$ is in debt for something i have doubts about. AAARRRGGHHHH. IMSOSTUPID. someone shoot me. blah.

Im going to the shop tomorrow to see what I can salvage out of this disaster ive gotten myself into. with no reciept and no pre-order form, i dont really have a case.



(OK everyone, you can now nominate me as jackass of the year for wasting a large part of that $1300 on something that could have cost far less. My next "project": save up 1200, travel 70 miles north to RRE, and tell them "I wanna 16G".)